Dear debaters, Government system is PARLIAMENTARY in PAKISTAN, its Prime Minister's responsibility to be here in this hard time and look after for this matter well, which he is trying to do, It doesn’t come directly under the President of Pakistan, while I agree he should have cancelled this visit due to flood in Pakistan, this will be great positive step for his reputation.

But the accident happened there was really pathetic and move of GEO on it really opened our eyes that they are here to defaming the image of PAKISTAN. They are just taking comments, showing it with big headlines/breaking news and didn’t stop it, while DUnya NEWS broadcasted it first but then left it as normal incident, while GEO continues to highlight it.

This shows not only the irresponsibility of Media but their heinous policy against the PAKISTAN, whom they are showing? THE HEAD OF STATE!

Have sense, I am not PPP loyalist or Zardari lover but fact never change, its insult of Nation.

[QUOTE=Muser;205205]Insult of Presidency?

I give you an example. These are two lines taken from just yesterday's The Guardian paper editorial, see how they have described our 'vivacious' President.

'Mr Zardari, the artful dodger of Pakistan, has apparently escaped near-certain political death again.'

'Thus the space that Mr Zardari occupies is a crucial one. It is his nation's enduring tragedy that these shoes are not filled by a bigger man.'



Well dear Muser ...you qoute the same newspapers which have several times accused pakistan intelligence agencies having links with Al Qaeda,and often raise fears regarding pakistan,s civilian nuclear programme.Such anti pakistani news receive widespread condemnation by media and every pakistani, including you call these neswpapers as western arsenals of propaganda.The same newspapers have scathed pakistan,s president and this time you people are qouting them right.So why this selection of news.Either you must qoute every news of western papers authentic or ought not to qoute any of them.

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Dear, Its true that Geo n ARY news have been blocked in karachi.

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Probably intensifying a calamity that has cast more doubts about the leadership of President Asif Ali Zardari

When Hurricane Katrina caused havoc in New Orleans and devastated the surrounding countryside, President Bush sparked off indignation and outrage by his seemingly distant attitude.

A few days later, when he and his advisers realised the public relations disaster this hands-off approach had caused, they went into overdrive to assure Americans that their president was on top of the situation. Similarly, President Obama seemed to practically camp in the worst-hit area following the BP oil leak in the Gulf of Mexico after the perception gained ground that he was not involved enough in resolving the crisis.


And now, the President of Pakistan appears to have gone walkabout during the country’s worst floods in decades. When public demands were first made for him to cancel his visit to the UK following David Cameron’s undiplomatic comments about Pakistan in Bangalore, I put the reaction down to the usual knee-jerk reflex that comes to us so naturally. After all, Britain and its prime minister are hardly major players in the region: witness Cameron’s embarrassing but accurate assertion in Washington that Britain was a junior partner in its ‘special relationship’ with the United States. In any case, the allegations of ISI double-dealing are scarcely new, and over the years, they have come to form the background noise in our troubled relations with the West.


Just as Cameron’s accusation was irrelevant to the situation, so too was Zardari’s visit to the UK. Apart from a photo opportunity outside 10, Downing Street, and a few smiles and some inane sound bites for TV cameras and microphones, not much was going to be achieved. True, millions would be wasted, but that’s the price we pay for all VIP visits abroad. So I had no problem with Zardari’s visit one way or another in the context of Cameron’s anti-Pakistan statement in India.

However, the ongoing devastation caused by the floods changes the picture. With millions made homeless and hundreds dead, surely the situation demanded Asif Zardari’s presence in the country. True, there is little he could personally have done to actually improve things. But just as Bush and Obama learned, it is the impression of being in charge that is important. And while it might have diverted important helicopter capacity, a visit to the flood-affected areas by the president might have cheered up some displaced families, while encouraging those engaged in relief work.

The sheer callousness revealed by Zardari in going ahead with the visits to France and the UK exposes, for the umpteenth time, the huge disconnect between the rulers and the ruled in Pakistan. While politicians continuously talk about the people and the masses, the only time they actually go to them is to ask for their votes. The rest of the time it’s all about riding the gravy train. Having said this, I am sure that had she been alive, Benazir Bhutto would have had the sensitivity to cancel her trip at a time of such enormous human suffering. Few people are aware, for instance, that when she narrowly escaped a suicide attack on her return to Karachi on October 18, 2007 she visited wounded survivors at various hospitals hours after the bombing.

Apart from the floods, Karachi has gone into lockdown following the assassination of an MQM legislator. Over 75 people have been killed and dozens of vehicles torched in the wake of the crime while the police remain helpless in the face of armed gangs roaming the streets. Surely this is another reason for Zardari to have stayed home. A reader from Karachi’s Al Falah area writes to inform me of an incident in which a young boy was beaten up by local political activists and handed over to the police just because he looked like a Pakhtun.

Given this kind of ethnic hatred and bloodletting rife in the country’s biggest city, with one coalition partner at the other’s throat, surely the PPP leadership needs to be playing a conciliatory role. Unfortunately, however, the top echelon of the party are in England currently, preparing for a large rally in Birmingham at which Zardari was reportedly going to introduce his son Bilawal to the party faithful.

I wish young Bilawal well in his future political career, and am glad he has cancelled his appearance at the Birmingham rally. Even though he isn’t in Pakistan helping his countrymen, he is reported as saying he will be raising funds for the flood victims. But while he is not in a position of authority, his father is. As president, Zardari’s primary duty lies to the country, not to his political party.

Since he was elected, Zardari has been reluctant to expose himself to would-be assassins, and has therefore preferred the high security of the presidency to the uncertain hinterland. I can understand and sympathise with this cautious approach. However, the occasional visit to the troops to encourage them as they fight the Taliban in the tribal areas would have been well viewed in the country. Apart from being good for his image, it would have reinforced Zardari’s position as the constitutional commander-in-chief of the armed forces.

When people are suffering hardships, they are comforted by the presence of their leaders, even if it is fleeting. It is odd that Gen Kayani should have visited the flood-affected areas while the president has not. Similarly, army corps commanders have met to make plans for the emergency while Zardari has yet to chair such a meeting of the federal cabinet. It would seem that the civilian government is content to let the army take the lead in rescue and relief operations while civilian volunteers (including members of extremist outfits) help as they can.

While an appeal has been launched in Britain to raise funds, our president has yet to take this initiative in Pakistan. Even after flying off to France and the UK, Zardari could have addressed Pakistanis on TV to reassure them and give them some comfort. Indeed, I am surprised none of his media-savvy advisers have urged him to be more in touch.

Quick to get some mileage out of this fiasco, Nawaz Sharif told us how disappointed he was that Zardari had decided to go ahead with his UK visit after Cameron’s statement. This criticism came from the man who imported a rare Siberian tiger for his private zoo in Raiwind. To survive the Punjab summer, the poor beast had to be kept in an air-conditioned enclosure.

If Zardari is unpopular with a reported 76 per cent of Pakistanis, we can guess why.

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I also agree with respected member as this incident has defamed our nation especially it is conducted by a Paki citizen.I am not in favor of PPP but at-least our constitution has gave honor to the president of the state..

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Its getting pointless now to comment any further coz we seemingly can’t follow eachother’s line of reasoning.

A few final quickies from my side.

All I am getting is that the real confusion lies in Zardari's switching roles as the President & Chairman PPP, thats why some people come to defend him in principle (although they may not be liking him).

I say that the shoe was thrown at him when he was Chairman PPP, so I don't mind if he was disgraced.

Those who might still think that he was 'acting as Mr. President' at that moment should watch his annoying speech on youtube.

Furthermore Sakk has presented a genuine example; now thats the kind of leadership that inspires & wins the admiration.

Lastly, I'll drop a Malcom X's saying as a point to ponder.

‘You're not to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who does it or says it.’

Cheers.

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Let us look into the past.

2008 Presidential election

Asif Ali Zardari - 481 votes
Saeeduzzaman Siddiqui - 153 votes
Mushahid Hussain Syed - 44 votes

Asif Ali Zardari's nomination as a presidential candidate was accepted in presence of General Pervez Musharaf the then powerful President. Mr. Zardari spend precious years of his life in prison and none of the charge was proved in the court. Then he was elected by the overwhelming majority of the parliamentarians as a President. Election and standing as an MPA/MNA and getting success is not a child's play and it is a hectic job.

From the beginning he is not welcomed by disaffected masses which form the minority anyhow the President is tolerating the rude and immature media and people so far. For instance he is not the President, he is not the chairman PPP, he is not even a political worker but he is a 55 years old human being. Which religion, society and culture allow you to resort to such disgraceful action. Moreover, who gave the right to Baba Jee to throw shoe on a person who leads the biggest political party of the country? This shoe has been thrown on mandate of PPP. It is dictatorship and non-toleration to deny a democratic force.

Your mentioned quote is fit for my views. Reality is that Mr. Zardari is legitimate President from 2008 and accept it. It is wrong to throw shoes on a person who has been destined to rule. So, wrong is wrong no matter who committed that shameful act and who favors him. Taliban are using force to capture the power, similarly undemocratic forces resort to shameful acts like throwing shoes to nullify and deny the rule of the majority.

If they have the guts then they should send home Mr. Zardari through peaceful impeachment. You people should avoid emotionalism and think moderately. It is not a movie; it is real life. Be practical and pragmatic and avoid idealism by making Baba Jee Hero who is not different to militants. Militants impose their views and get goals by suicide attacks whereas that Baba Jee is trying to impose his views by throwing shoes so what is the difference.

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@All participants of this thread

Please use appropriate words while talking about the president of the country. Educated class of this country is bound to defend him indigeneously as well on international front because our parliament has elected him. We should stop dancing on the tunes of foreign media as they never miss the opportunity of defaming our beloved homeland. Respectable anchors of different channels quoting foreign newspapers while showing their anger over the acts of president but they probably have fortgotten the role of same international media in its efforts to declare Pakistan a terrorist state. I don't want to go into this Joota controversy and it was a political tactic of Nawaz Shareef as Baba jee who threw the joota is said to be an active worker of PML(N). Eductaed youth who participates in this forum should use its brain and put Pakistan ahead of everything.
Think positive and defend Pakistanis.

Regards

First of all I can not understand that why people are happy if some one throw shoe on Mr. Zardari, is this act solve our problem obviously not. Mujhay b Zardari Sahib achay nai lagtay magar hamain kissi pay jota nai phainkna chahye chahe wo bura e kyoun na ho kyounka phir ye riwayat ban jati hay aur ahista ahista naik aur achay logoon pay b jootay phainkay jatay hain.

Society main buri akdaar ko nai phailana chahye. Suiside attach jub Russia pay kia gae, India say jang main kia gae agg khud hum pay e ho rahay hain aik buri riwayat jo hum nay shoro ki agg hum e bhugat rahay hain.

Instead of blaming the politicians for their wrong-doings why not blame ourselves for selecting such people.Very unfortunately we live in a country where people give more importance to their loyalty to a specific party and its politicians rather than opting for someone who deserves to be selected and who can bring about a change...

Now I know a lot of people might not like my saying so but I think that it was us who selected Zardari even though all of us knew his past very well so why blame him now for every wrongdoing that's happening in this country when we were responsible for his selection....

I myself believe that throwing a shoe on the president of a country(Let's forget his past wrongdoings for a moment) is not basically humiliating that individual but its rather humiliating that country,I myself don't like that guy but still he's the president of this country and as the president he should atleast be given a semblem of respect.

One more point,I believe that the time has came to reign in the media of this country,I believe that the media should be a representative of that country and should promote a postitive image of it but unfortunately our media is bent on ruining our already tarnished reputation.

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