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Malala Yousuf zai has been attacked by the pakistani millitants. what was her sin?
she was striving to promote education among the girls of pakistan and was peacefully working as a social worker. we salute Malala yousuf zai with two hands and pray for her health. May she live long.
we demand from governmnet of pakistan to eliminate these millitants who are destroying the peace of pakistan and the nation.

please come with relevant comments regarding this issue.
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we demand from governmnet of pakistan to eliminate these millitants who are destroying the peace of pakistan and the nation.
I don't know why Media has created a hype only for Malala Yousufzai?
Everyday many girls aged same like Malala die in Drone attacks. None of them has been highlighted. Many fathers, mothers, sons, daughters and wives die in Drone attacks. Quite contradictory actions by Government and Pakistani Media.
Many others die due to poor health facilities in Pakistani hospitals. None of them is highlighted as much as Malala. Malala has been sent abroad by Government but why other Pakistanis are not sent? Malala is daughter of nation then what others are? Other girls are not daughters of nation?
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i don't know why media has created a hype only for malala yousufzai?
Everyday many girls aged same like malala die in drone attacks. None of them has been highlighted. Many fathers, mothers, sons, daughters and wives die in drone attacks. Quite contradictory actions by government and pakistani media.
Many others die due to poor health facilities in pakistani hospitals. None of them is highlighted as much as malala. Malala has been sent abroad by government but why other pakistanis are not sent? Malala is daughter of nation then what others are? Other girls are not daughters of nation?

ایک ملالہ ہی کیوں ؟

وسعت اللہ خان

یہ بات درست ہے کہ ملالہ یوسف زئی کو سر آنکھوں پر بٹھانے والوں کو ڈرون حملوں میں اپاہج اور ہلاک ہونے والے سینکڑوں بچے یاد نہیں اور میڈیا کو صرف ملالہ سے مطلب ہے۔ اس کے ساتھ زخمی ہونے والی شازیہ اور کائنات کے بارے میں کوئی فکر اور ذکر نہیں۔

بالکل اسی طرح جیسے مغرب نے گذشتہ پانچ سو برس سے ایک انیس سالہ ان پڑھ فرانسیسی دہقانی لڑکی جون آف آرک کو سر پر چڑھا رکھا ہے۔ حالانکہ برطانیہ اور فرانس کے درمیان سو سالہ جنگ میں لاکھوں مرد، عورتیں اور بچے مرے۔ ہزاروں عورتوں کو جون کی طرح مشرک ہونے کے جرم میں پادریوں نے چوکوں میں نصب چوبی کھمبوں سے باندھ کر زندہ جلا دیا۔


لیکن پاپائے روم نے ان میں سے کسی کو جون کی طرح ولی کا درجہ نہیں دیا اور شیکسپئیر، والٹیئر، بریخت، برنارڈ شا نے بھی اپنے ڈراموں کا کردار بنایا تو صرف جون کو۔

کیسا ظلم ہے کہ دوسری عالمی جنگ میں ہٹلر کی مزاحمت کرنے والے فرانسیسی حریت پسندوں کو اپنا مزاحمتی سمبل بھی پانچ سو سال پرانی جون آف آرک میں ہی دکھائی دیا۔حالانکہ جون آف آرک کے ساڑھے تین سو برس بعد انقلابِ فرانس کو ممکن بنانے میں لاتعداد لوگوں نے لہو دیا۔ مگر مجال ہے جو کسی نام نہاد فرانسیسی لبرل یا مذہبی قدامت پسند یا بائیں بازو کے دانشور یا دائیں بازو کے کسی نسل پرست نے اس نا انصافی پر کبھی احتجاج کیا ہو۔ سب کے سب آج تک جون آف آرک کی مالا جپ رہے ہیں۔توبہ توبہ توبہ۔۔۔

اور اقبال کو دیکھو۔کم از کم انہیں تو معلوم ہی تھا کہ تیرہ سو سالہ مسلمان تاریخ میں ایسی سینکڑوں بچیاں اور خواتین گزریں جنہوں نے غزوات سے لے کر صلیبی جنگوں تک اور مراکش سے ہندوستان تک مسلمان مردوں کے شانہ بشانہ دشمنوں سے لڑائی کی، اگلے مورچوں تک اسلحہ اور خوراک پہنچائی، زخمیوں کا خیال رکھا۔ مگر صد افسوس کہ اقبال کو بس انیس سو گیارہ میں طرابلس ( لیبیا) کے محاذ پر اطالویوں اور ترکوں کی جنگ میں زخمی غازیوں کو مشکیزے سے پانی پلانے والی ایک گیارہ سالہ بچی فاطمہ بنتِ عبداللہ ہی یاد رہ گئی ۔
نا ملالہ کا کوئی بھلا ہے نا عافیہ کا۔۔۔

تاریخ ایک مسلسل گیت ہے جسے ایک سے ایک سریلا میسر ہے۔ مگر ایک خاص فضا اور موقع پر ہزاروں لاکھوں میں سے کسی ایک کا سر ایسے لگ جاتا ہے کہ چھت پھٹ جاتی ہے، شیشہ تڑخ جاتا ہے یا بارش ہوجاتی ہے۔ یوں وہ سریلا اور سر اجتماعی یادداشت کا حصہ بن جاتا ہے۔

ورنہ تو یہ بحث کبھی ختم ہی نہ ہو کہ ملالہ کے ساتھ دیگر سینکڑوں ہزاروں زخمی بچے کیوں یاد نہیں آتے۔ بالکل اسی طرح کہ جنہیں صرف عافیہ یاد ہے انہیں امریکیوں کے ہاتھوں عقوبت خانوں میں رسوا ہونے والی سینکڑوں عراقی اور افغان عورتیں اور پاکستان کی گلیوں اور سڑکوں پر عریاں گھمائی جانے والی لڑکیوں اور قبائلی علاقوں میں سر قلم ہونے والی ادھیڑ اور بوڑھی عورتوں کے نام کیوں یاد نہیں ؟؟؟ ایسی بحث میں نا ملالہ کا کوئی بھلا ہے نا عافیہ کا۔۔۔

فاطمہ تو آبروئے امتِ مرحوم ہے، زرہ زرہ تیری مشتِ خاک کا معصوم ہے۔

اور یہ تئیس سال کا لونڈا بھگت سنگھ کون ہے ؟ ایک بگڑا ہوا ملحد مارکسی انارکسٹ جس کے ہاتھ ایک انگریز پولیس افسر کے خون سے رنگے ہوئے تھے۔ جس نے لیجسلیٹو اسمبلی میں بم پھینکا پھر بھی ہندوستان اور پاکستان میں کروڑوں گمراہ اسے آزادی کا ہیرو سمجھتے ہیں۔

حیرت ہے کہ جناح صاحب کو اٹھارہ سو ستاون میں پھانسی پانے والے ہزاروں ہندوستانیوں میں سے کوئی یاد نہیں رہا۔ وہ بھی انیس سو اکتیس میں جذبات کی رو میں بہہ گئے اور جیل میں بھگت سنگھ اور اس کے ساتھیوں کی بھوک ہڑتال کی حمایت کرتے ہوئے یہ تک کہہ ڈالا کہ بھگت سنگھ کو بھلے آپ کچھ بھی سمجھیں لیکن وہ اپنے مقصد کی سچائی پر یقین رکھتا ہے اور اس جابرانہ نظام سے تنگ لوگوں کی بیزاری کا نمائندہ ہے۔

اور نہرو کو تو دیکھو جسے انگریزوں کے خلاف نہ منگل پانڈے کا کلمہ ِ بغاوت یاد آیا اور نہ رانی جھانسی کی بہادرانہ شہادت۔ اگر یاد رہا تو بھگت سنگھ جسے نہرو نے کھلے میدان میں دشمن کو للکارنے والا جری قرار دیا۔

ٹھیک ہے مان لیا بھگت سنگھ بڑا ہیرو تھا مگر اس کے ساتھ پھانسی چڑھنے والوں میں راج گرو اور سکھ دیو بھی تو تھے۔ ان کا ذکر کوئی بھگت سنگھ کی طرح کیوں نہیں کرتا۔ ان پر کسی نے کیوں ڈرامے نہیں لکھے، گیت نہیں کہے، فلمیں نہیں بنائیں، یادگاری ٹکٹ اور سکے جاری نہیں کیے۔

اور تو اور بھارتی پارلیمنٹ کے صحن میں بھی بھگت سنگھ کا ہی اٹھارہ فٹ اونچا تانبے کا مجسمہ لگایا گیا۔ کوئی پوچھے کہ راج گرو اور سکھ دیو کا کیا قصور ؟ چلیں بھارتیوں کی مرضی جو چاہے کریں مگر غضب خدا کا یہ پنجاب حکومت کو کیا ہوا کہ اس نے بھگت سنگھ کی پھانسی کے اسی برس بعد لاہور کے شادمان چوک کا نام بھگت سنگھ چوک کردیا۔ کیا اسے تقسیم کے وقت شہید ہونے والے لاکھوں لوگوں میں سے کوئی نام یاد نہیں آیا۔ بے حسی کی اس سے بڑی کیا مثال ہوگی۔

ملالہ یوسف زئي کی صحت یابی کے لیے دنیا بھر میں دعائیں ہوئی ہیں

اور لو تازہ ترین ظلم دیکھو۔ مشرقِ وسطی میں شاہی، فوجی اور سیاسی استبداد کے خلاف گذشتہ سو برس میں ہزاروں لوگ جدوجہد کرتے ہوئے شہید ہوگئے۔ لیکن آج کروڑوں بے وقوف سمجھتے ہیں کہ وہ عرب سپرنگ جس نے گذشتہ دو برس میں الجزائر سے بحرین تک ہر آمر کو ہلا دیا۔ تیونس، مصر، لیبیا اور یمن میں حکومتیں الٹ دیں اور لاکھوں شامیوں کو موت کے منہ پر تھوکنے کا حوصلہ بخشا اس کی ابتدا تیونس کے ایک چھبیس سالہ سبزی فروش محمد بوعزیزی کی خود سوزی سے اٹھنے والی چنگاری سے ہوئی۔ اس سبزی فروش کے لیے تیونس کی نئی حکومت نے ڈاک ٹکٹ جاری کیا اور برطانوی اخبار ٹائمز نے اسے دو ہزار دس کا مین آف دی ایئر قرار دے ڈالا۔

ایسا کیوں ہے کہ سات ہزار برس کی تاریخ لاکھوں قربانیاں دینے والوں اور ایک سے ایک ذہینوں سے بھری پڑی ہے لیکن ان لاکھوں میں سے صرف سقراط، جون آف آرک، شیکسپئیر، لیونارڈو ڈا ونچی، فاطمہ بنتِ عبداللہ، آئن سٹائن، بھگت سنگھ، چی گویرا، مارٹن لوتھر کنگ، محمد بو عزیزی جیسے پانچ چھ سو لوگ ہی ہمیں یاد آتے رہتے ہیں؟

بات شاید یہ ہے کہ تاریخ ایک مسلسل گیت ہے جسے ایک سے ایک سریلا میسر ہے۔ مگر ایک خاص فضا اور موقع پر ہزاروں لاکھوں میں سے کسی ایک کا سر ایسے لگ جاتا ہے کہ چھت پھٹ جاتی ہے، شیشہ تڑخ جاتا ہے یا بارش ہوجاتی ہے۔ یوں وہ سریلا اور سر اجتماعی یادداشت کا حصہ بن جاتا ہے۔

ورنہ تو یہ بحث کبھی ختم ہی نہ ہو کہ ملالہ کے ساتھ دیگر سینکڑوں ہزاروں زخمی بچے کیوں یاد نہیں آتے۔ بالکل اسی طرح کہ جنہیں صرف عافیہ یاد ہے انہیں امریکیوں کے ہاتھوں عقوبت خانوں میں رسوا ہونے والی سینکڑوں عراقی اور افغان عورتیں اور پاکستان کی گلیوں اور سڑکوں پر عریاں گھمائی جانے والی لڑکیوں اور قبائلی علاقوں میں سر قلم ہونے والی ادھیڑ اور بوڑھی عورتوں کے نام کیوں یاد نہیں ؟؟؟ ایسی بحث میں نا ملالہ کا کوئی بھلا ہے نا عافیہ کا۔۔۔

اکثر ہماری آنکھیں تعصب کے موتیے سے دھندلا جاتی ہیں اور ہم سمجھتے ہیں کہ منظر دھندلا ہے۔ اگر موتیا صاف کروا کے چشمے کا نمبر بدل لیا جائے تو مسئلہ با آسانی حل ہو سکتا ہے۔

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I don't know why Media has created a hype only for Malala Yousufzai?
Everyday many girls aged same like Malala die in Drone attacks. None of them has been highlighted. Many fathers, mothers, sons, daughters and wives die in Drone attacks. Quite contradictory actions by Government and Pakistani Media.
Many others die due to poor health facilities in Pakistani hospitals. None of them is highlighted as much as Malala. Malala has been sent abroad by Government but why other Pakistanis are not sent? Malala is daughter of nation then what others are? Other girls are not daughters of nation?
Your argument is rather childish and akin to saying that we shouldn't have given any attention to the Salala incident because soldiers die everyday (most recent was the killing of an SP and several FC personnel).

Secondly, I see that you have mentioned drone attacks, but not attacks by militants. I don't know if this was intetntional or if it was, I have no idea if you are a supporter of the TTP or just like to bash the United States, but please consider that militant attacks have claimed almost 40,000 (many, many more than have been killed in drone strikes) lives in the last decade. Moreover, many of the perpetrators have been killed in drone attacks, among them Qari Hussain (the architect of suicide bombing in Pak) and Baitullah Mehsud.

Moving on, a lot of people are questioning the attention being given to Malala and I'll try to explain the situation to the best of my abilities. First, the act of specifically targeting a 14 year old for speaking out against the Taliban shows the perverted mindset of the attackers and is a clear indication of what the future will hold if their power is allowed to go unchecked. Second, this attack shows the weakness of the security agencies in that the act was carried out without resistance in a area that has supposedly been cleared of militants.

The Taliban have clearly shown that they intend to impose their will and their perverted view of religion on the people of Pakistan by force. In fact, this much was clear even before the attack on Malala, but this particular incident should be a wake up call for all who are still sleeping.

You can either have Quaid E Azam's Pakistan or you can have the Taliban's Pakistan, not both.
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I did not start my arguments yet because there is nothing to argument in this issue.
This is our Government and this is our media.
We the people are just the puppets.
Wherever the media and Government drive our attention, we get driven.
We just have questions, lots of them and we don't get answers.
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I did not start my arguments yet because there is nothing to argument in this issue.
We discuss many issues on the forums over which we have no control so I don't think there's any harm in discussing this too
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Now we the weaker souls are reluctant to
believe how a little school going girl
embodies those very virtues which are
anathema to the taliban.............hence
conspiracy theories and beating about the
bush
malala is a symbol of defiance against
midieval jingoistic militancy and illiterate
ritualistic stubborn orthodoxy.

most of da questions in life have very simple
answerz .......but we are in a habit of
complicating and confusing
things ........always bent upon believing or
tend to believe on conspiracy
theories ......they look grave and serious . TTP
claims responsibility of this killing on a
symbol of education and enlightenment,r
esilience and resistance,the symbols they
have been attacking since long.
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Your argument is rather childish and akin to saying that we shouldn't have given any attention to the Salala incident because soldiers die everyday (most recent was the killing of an SP and several FC personnel).
No one here condemns malala, but we condemn the purpose. I have seen in your previous posts at another thread that you only see what it is, and not what are the causes and what it should have been. We all condemn the attack on her.

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Secondly, I see that you have mentioned drone attacks, but not attacks by militants. I don't know if this was intetntional or if it was, I have no idea if you are a supporter of the TTP or just like to bash the United States, but please consider that militant attacks have claimed almost 40,000 (many, many more than have been killed in drone strikes) lives in the last decade. Moreover, many of the perpetrators have been killed in drone attacks, among them Qari Hussain (the architect of suicide bombing in Pak) and Baitullah Mehsud.
If you are wanted by police and police attacks your house and kills every member of your family just to kill you, is this justified in any law? To kill one, you sacrifice all. Do you agree that it should be done like drones do?

Why america is not interested in capturing alqaida and taliban leaders alive? If they are arrested alive, they can give more fruitful information. right? They can give information to our forces and our forces are able to capture them alive if they are present. But they will not do so. Because it will end their fake war on terror (originally war of energy resources).

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Moving on, a lot of people are questioning the attention being given to Malala and I'll try to explain the situation to the best of my abilities. First, the act of specifically targeting a 14 year old for speaking out against the Taliban shows the perverted mindset of the attackers and is a clear indication of what the future will hold if their power is allowed to go unchecked. Second, this attack shows the weakness of the security agencies in that the act was carried out without resistance in a area that has supposedly been cleared of militants.
With all due respect to malala and her family, they were used, used by america and our rulers to incite army to start operation. I wish her best wishes for her life. (TTP is just local contractor of CIA and RAW). Was Malala an intellectual or a genius? No. she was just praised by hillary clinton. That is why so much coverage is given to her and air ambulance was available for malala and not for late Arfa Kareem Randhawa, being in critical condition for continuous 26 days and she was given coverage on the day she was about to die. She was not praised by hillary, she was praised by IT geniuses. So no one gave importance to her.

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You can either have Quaid E Azam's Pakistan or you can have the Taliban's Pakistan, not both.
You are quoting the lines said by a coward murderer, chief of strongest party in Karachi, who thinks creation of Pakistan is blunder. Just trying to defame the personality of Quaid e Azam. According to them Quaid e Azam was socialist. How can he even try to suggest us what is better for Pakistan and what is not. So speak, what you know, and not what is told by media and you get inspired.

You can further elaborate us what do you mean by saying Quaid`s Pakistan or Taliban`s Pakistan. I will be pleased to know your views
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If you are wanted by police and police attacks your house and kills every member of your family just to kill you, is this justified in any law? To kill one, you sacrifice all. Do you agree that it should be done like drones do?
Did I say that I support the way its being done? I strongly condemn civilian causalities, but I'm also not blind to the fact that many militants, responsible for the deaths of hundreds of people have been killed in drone strikes. Its not a black and white situation.

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Why america is not interested in capturing alqaida and taliban leaders alive?
Because they can't. You think top militant leaders are sitting ducks?

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Because it will end their fake war on terror (originally war of energy resources).With all due respect to malala and her family, they were used, used by america and our rulers to incite army to start operation. I wish her best wishes for her life. (TTP is just local contractor of CIA and RAW).
This is the typical attitude of Pakistanis who are in denial and unable to accept the responsibility for their own actions. Please elaborate on exactly why you think the TTP is an agent of the CIA and what the US hopes to achieve through it. BTW, you are contradicting yourself here. If the TTP is an agent of the US and RAW, whats wrong with an operation against it? Or do you plan on ceding half the country to these agents of CIA/RAW?


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You are quoting the lines said by a coward murderer, chief of strongest party in Karachi, who thinks creation of Pakistan is blunder. Just trying to defame the personality of Quaid e Azam. According to them Quaid e Azam was socialist. How can he even try to suggest us what is better for Pakistan and what is not. So speak, what you know, and not what is told by media and you get inspired.
Altaf Hussain is all that you say he is and more. He is one of the people responsible for the continuous bloodbath in Karachi and I've never ever been a fan of the man, but this time he's right: you can either have Quaid-E-Azam's Pakistan or the Taliban's.

I have my own opinions on what the Quaid would have wanted, but since they won't be acceptable to most people, lets just say that in the Quaid's Pakistan, a bunch of gun-wielding religious zealots will not run the show. Or do you think that the Quaid would have welcomed an insurgency by religious extremists, blowing people up in markets, attacking army bases, shooting 14 year olds, etc etc?
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Did I say that I support the way its being done? I strongly condemn civilian causalities, but I'm also not blind to the fact that many militants, responsible for the deaths of hundreds of people have been killed in drone strikes. Its not a black and white situation.
Do you what the word "cause" means? If you kill 100, does that justify to kill 1000 innocent neighbors for killing just you? They(TTP) are responsible for killings, but what is the justification to bomb a place when you are not even sure of presence of a terrorist? The only thing is to confirm it first if you want to bomb. If you live in that area, and you are innocent, how would you feel if any moment that drone strikes your house and kills your family members? Compare how many innocents killed and how many terrorists killed?

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Because they can't. You think top militant leaders are sitting ducks?
So you are justifying drones to attack a place just to make sure the target is killed no matter civilian or terrorist. You don`t even have concern with sovereignty of the state.

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This is the typical attitude of Pakistanis who are in denial and unable to accept the responsibility for their own actions. Please elaborate on exactly why you think the TTP is an agent of the CIA and what the US hopes to achieve through it. BTW, you are contradicting yourself here. If the TTP is an agent of the US and RAW, whats wrong with an operation against it? Or do you plan on ceding half the country to these agents of CIA/RAW?
They have already been operated upon and cleared. Do you justify operation for just malala attack? Such killings are being done everyday in whole Pakistan. And no TTP stronghold exists in those places where america is pointing. I will make it more clear because you are unable to understand quickly or even lately Why TTP was not present before america invaded? Why Taliban will go against Pakistan when they were living happily in Afghanistan before america attacked? Americans knew that they are hated in Pakistan so they bought these talibans so that they can perform americans duty easily. Do you think america is a well wisher of Pakistan? It is that very country that was unable to swallow that Pakistan a Muslim country had become a nuclear power. It is that very country that sent soya beans instead of F-16 even after payment. It is that very country that sent an on paper naval fleet in Indo Pak War to help Pakistan. Army needs to take care for external borders. As far as internal terrorism is concerned, only efficient police can handle this because no major TTP strongholds are present and only some gangsters who claim to be as TTP are working but that is headache of police. Police is responsible for such gangs.


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Altaf Hussain is all that you say he is and more. He is one of the people responsible for the continuous bloodbath in Karachi and I've never ever been a fan of the man, but this time he's right: you can either have Quaid-E-Azam's Pakistan or the Taliban's.
I have my own opinions on what the Quaid would have wanted, but since they won't be acceptable to most people, lets just say that in the Quaid's Pakistan, a bunch of gun-wielding religious zealots will not run the show. Or do you think that the Quaid would have welcomed an insurgency by religious extremists, blowing people up in markets, attacking army bases, shooting 14 year olds, etc etc?
Definitely Quaid would have wanted a peaceful Pakistan free for all sects, but without any diversion from basics of ISLAM. Did Taliban attacked any mosque or religious gathering place of any sect or religion before american came to Afghanistan? No. these TTP agents are no Muslims and they don`t represent Afghan Taliban, created especially to destabilize Pakistan. And please be open to recognize friends and foes. America will never leave Afghanistan on its own. If you wanna give Iraq example, then situation is entirely different here.
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