My exchange on another forum

[guru62]

On another forum, I came across the following written in pathetic English:

It is simple, as long as westerns keep staying in the middle east the region has a chance. If the westerns decide to leave in mass, highly unlikely and leave the running of day to day operations to the locals they are screwed big time. There is no talent or know how for the locals to run and run efficiently the countries here. The middle east as a whole is in a big perdictament. They are losing ground to the rest of the world. Not one country is a democaracy, well one is but they practice a different religion and that is for another tread. For the most part every country is a totaltarian swamp.
So what do the dicators do? If they educate their population the masses get wise and say enough with this totaltarian crap and overthrow the unelected dicators. If they are kept in the state they are in the countries contunie to slide further behind the rest of the world. What do they do? Stay tuned and find out.

I wrote back:

It is simple, as long as westerns keep staying in the middle east the region has a chance. If the westerns decide to leave in mass (Sunday?), highly unlikely and leave the running of day to day operations to the locals they are screwed big time. There is no talent or know how for the locals to run and run efficiently the countries here.
The middle east as a whole is in a big perdictament. They are losing ground to the rest of the world. Not one country is a democaracy, well one is but they practice a different religion and that is for another tread. For the most part every country is a totaltarian swamp.
So what do the dicators do? If they educate their population the masses get wise and say enough with this totaltarian crap and overthrow the unelected dicators. If they are kept in the state they are in the countries contunie to slide further behind the rest of the world. What do they do? Stay tuned and find out.


Referring to your last sentence, I would have loved to stay tuned if I had had the guts to watch in silence, a decent language being butchered.

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This infuriated the original poster and here is what followed: His write-ups are as quotes, mine are in plain text.

I always take words to heart especially when they come from a guy from Pakistan.
You should be the last person being where you are from to point any fingers.

So, the problem is not with what I have said, it is with where I come from? I assume that is where it has hurt the most.

By the way, I never pointed fingers; I just highlighted the errors in a poorly written post. It would have been rather appropriate had you instead proved me wrong in any of my corrections.
Listen, you may be a native speaker of the language and Pakistan may not be the best place in the world; nonetheless, I firmly believe that my language abilities are not tied to my origin/nationality and neither are yours.

Discrimination, racism, bias and prejudice are vices afflicting a vast majority of us. The only logical way to get rid of them is through a critical introspective approach with an open mind. Complexed thinking, flawed self image and aversion to honest critique has hardly ever helped any one improve.
I pity you where you have to first look at my nationality and then phrase your write up to me. I am from Pakistan and I have no qualms about admitting it. I just can't think of any plausible reason to hide my origins.
My request is, don't take things to heart just because a Pakistani is trying to tell you the truth. I understand,it hurts, but then, there are so many things in life that we have to take with a pinch of salt. Agreed, at times, it does become a bit more than a bit difficult to digest but, such are the vagaries of life.
I look forward to your reply.

You said in the post where you corrected my mistakes that you can't sit in silence and see a language get butchered.
Well can you sit in silence and see your country go down the toilet? What did you do if anything when you found out your country was harbouring the most wanted terrorist in recent memory? What have you done when the military has taken over control of your country and court system. What are you
doing about the lack of an education system there that festers militants?

Pakistan is a failed state and the only thing you have probably done is become an ex-pat while your country slides into a cesspool.

It is funny that only the west can be racist. Maybe you define it as racism but I define it as elitist. We have a higher standard on life and
not only demand more we expect more as well.

I sincerely wish I could help you but I am not a psychologist. How sad that once again you have to stoop to such abysmal depths of (im)morality and attack my nationality just to be able to retain your perceived image of superiority.

This thing started with my comments about your lack of elementary English language skills like spellings, grammar, punctuations and syntax. I have noted that you have done a Herculean effort and taken help to manage a barely average written expression this time. Nevertheless, let me remind you that comma (,) has always been an essential part of correct English. I am more than convinced now that penning down a few sentences eloquently is way beyond your inherent capabilities.

I am a Pakistani and there are two things I would like you to know. First, I would never try to hide my nationality and second, when I
know that I am cornered, I would be the last person to launch a diatribe against the other person’s country.

Coming to your question regarding what I have done about Pakistan and the problems facing it, well, I have done my bit but I don’t think you deserve to know.

Read my previous post again and you’d see that I have not singled out West as racist in any manner. My comments were in general about racism and because of your insecure, guilt ridden conscience; you took them as directed towards the West.

The next few lines are aimed as dispelling your euphoric belief about the West being elitist. These are things I have learnt in life and

I thought; you might be able to make some use of them.

Helplessness is not a situation, it is a mental state.

Arrogance is not an attitude; it is an indirect admission of one’s incompetence.

Self aggrandisement is not a virtue; it is a distorted image of one’s true self.

Maturity and common sense can neither be inherited nor do they come with age.

Self realization is not an art; it is a reward of dedicated and conscious effort.

Patience is not an attribute; it is a core human value.

Sickness does not necessarily relate just to the body.

All human weaknesses can be overcome.

One doesn’t necessarily have to be intoxicated to be inebriated.

Egoist, egotist and ego- centric are different names for self centered creatures.

Satisfaction is a temporary feeling, not a lasting achievement.


Desperation is not due to lack of options, it is due to lack of character.


I could go on……..





Do write back to me if you have something worthwhile to say.



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He hasn't replied till now.

I am open to comments and critique regarding the quality of my unwitting attempt at satire. Or does it even qualify as one?

Regards,

[redmax]

Well done, boy!

[my1manarmy]

great job.

seems like you were ready to practise all your css-skills on someone.
that poor guy should have known that you were actually preparing to attempt Essay in CSS exam.

you did well to show him what he was.

[guru62]

Son,

I am over 50 and way past CSS age limit. I was just trying to teach him a lesson that writing good English is not a birth right of native English speakers, it is a skill that needs to acquired and perfected with lots of hard work and the writer's nationality is absolutely inconsequential.

Regards

[Muhammad Ali Chaudhry]

Originally Posted by guru62

Son,

I am over 50 and way past CSS age limit. I was just trying to teach him a lesson that writing good English is not a birth right of native English speakers, it is a skill that needs to acquired and perfected with lots of hard work and the writer's nationality is absolutely inconsequential.

Regards

No doubt sirjee . Even 5 to 6 months of practice , sometimes make it difficult . And sometimes , whole life .

[ZAKARIYAN01]

Originally Posted by guru62

On another forum, I came across the following written in pathetic English:



I wrote back:






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This infuriated the original poster and here is what followed: His write-ups are as quotes, mine are in plain text.



So, the problem is not with what I have said, it is with where I come from? I assume that is where it has hurt the most.

By the way, I never pointed fingers; I just highlighted the errors in a poorly written post. It would have been rather appropriate had you instead proved me wrong in any of my corrections.
Listen, you may be a native speaker of the language and Pakistan may not be the best place in the world; nonetheless, I firmly believe that my language abilities are not tied to my origin/nationality and neither are yours.

Discrimination, racism, bias and prejudice are vices afflicting a vast majority of us. The only logical way to get rid of them is through a critical introspective approach with an open mind. Complexed thinking, flawed self image and aversion to honest critique has hardly ever helped any one improve.
I pity you where you have to first look at my nationality and then phrase your write up to me. I am from Pakistan and I have no qualms about admitting it. I just can't think of any plausible reason to hide my origins.
My request is, don't take things to heart just because a Pakistani is trying to tell you the truth. I understand,it hurts, but then, there are so many things in life that we have to take with a pinch of salt. Agreed, at times, it does become a bit more than a bit difficult to digest but, such are the vagaries of life.
I look forward to your reply.






I sincerely wish I could help you but I am not a psychologist. How sad that once again you have to stoop to such abysmal depths of (im)morality and attack my nationality just to be able to retain your perceived image of superiority.

This thing started with my comments about your lack of elementary English language skills like spellings, grammar, punctuations and syntax. I have noted that you have done a Herculean effort and taken help to manage a barely average written expression this time. Nevertheless, let me remind you that comma (,) has always been an essential part of correct English. I am more than convinced now that penning down a few sentences eloquently is way beyond your inherent capabilities.

I am a Pakistani and there are two things I would like you to know. First, I would never try to hide my nationality and second, when I
know that I am cornered, I would be the last person to launch a diatribe against the other person’s country.

Coming to your question regarding what I have done about Pakistan and the problems facing it, well, I have done my bit but I don’t think you deserve to know.

Read my previous post again and you’d see that I have not singled out West as racist in any manner. My comments were in general about racism and because of your insecure, guilt ridden conscience; you took them as directed towards the West.

The next few lines are aimed as dispelling your euphoric belief about the West being elitist. These are things I have learnt in life and

I thought; you might be able to make some use of them.

Helplessness is not a situation, it is a mental state.

Arrogance is not an attitude; it is an indirect admission of one’s incompetence.

Self aggrandisement is not a virtue; it is a distorted image of one’s true self.

Maturity and common sense can neither be inherited nor do they come with age.

Self realization is not an art; it is a reward of dedicated and conscious effort.

Patience is not an attribute; it is a core human value.

Sickness does not necessarily relate just to the body.

All human weaknesses can be overcome.

One doesn’t necessarily have to be intoxicated to be inebriated.

Egoist, egotist and ego- centric are different names for self centered creatures.

Satisfaction is a temporary feeling, not a lasting achievement.


Desperation is not due to lack of options, it is due to lack of character.


I could go on……..





Do write back to me if you have something worthwhile to say.



__________________________________________________ _______________



He hasn't replied till now.

I am open to comments and critique regarding the quality of my unwitting attempt at satire. Or does it even qualify as one?

Regards,

hats off to you sir......

[very special 1]

well done.....

most of people have problem with nationality, "Pakistan" stings them :P

sir help me to improve my english as well please.

regards