Dear All,

I am currently working in a local commercial bank and on a very good package since the last four years & now i have qualified this IB exam & that too in a merit slot.

Please guide me which one will be good for me. My package is over 30,000 in the Bank with other facilities.

Please guide.

Dear !
Can any of these Ex-Spys be a little more candid,why we should not join IB,dear plz tell us what kind of job it is,and what made you leave such a great job for PMS or whatever you left ur Adship for…,it would really help us decide for ourselves whether we should leave our current jobs for IB or not……

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Thank you very much

dear recommended fellows, dont get perturbed by the shortsightedness of one of our ex AD I.B. the only reason why he and some other ppl at I.B prefer pms over AD IB is that at I.B u have a corruption free job where u have to strictly depend on ur salary, which unfortunately, is considered a negative point by ppl like him. While in PMS, u have ample opportunities for making easy money, a highly ''prospective'' charm for sum ppl. This is the only reason why pms is preferable to sum ppl. BUT OFCOURSE THERE R A LOT OF PPL WHO HAV GOT A DIFFERENT APPROACH TO LIFE AND THEREFORE FOR THEM IT IS NOT DIFFICULT TO MAKE DO WITH A LESS AMOUNT OF MONEY BUT ATLEAST HAVING THE MENTAL SATISFACTION OF SERVING THEIR COUNTRY IN AN HONEST MANNER. SO CHEER UP FRIENDS, A GOOD FUTURE AWAITS U AT THE IB

Assalam, Do anyone has information regarding the joining / letter, date?

As for as PMS is concerned -- it is better to join it for those who want to be socially known as a Bureaucrate and want to have a social clout - and want to enjoy well known administrative positons like Administrators (Nazims to be replaced by)- and ofcourse if they want to avail the facilities available to a bureaucrate ( AC/DC etc) like servants , official vehicle 24 hours with u--and if they want to bring prestige to their family - and especially if they want to rule the ppl - And if they want to avail extra allownces like Secreteriate Allownce Rs=6000/-, unattractive area allownce Rs=4000/- etc and official residence (bangallows ).. and many things more....(surely ,minus the corruption earned money .... ---which depndes upo the mental chracterstics !)
In PMS posting is in Punjab only.

And Ib is suited to those who want to enjoy a non social and calm life (you will be not allowed to affix name plate your home door to make you known as AD IB00 nor u can disclose to any body else that who u r !) -though prestigeous one !--In IB no official residence is available but hiring facility is available- In IB posting is possible throughout Pakistan. There are no arrest powers with IB like police or PMS executive. Once u joined IB , no departmental permission is given to join/change to other department - and if u apply not through propper channel, strict diciplinary action would be awiating u. Only pick and drop is given at IB. So, think before u leap ! Also read the following article of Dawn-- to decide better !!!!!!!!

Staff drain may leave IB spyless
By Hasan Abdullah

KARACHI, Jan 13: A growing number of middle-ranking officers working for the Intelligence Bureau (IB) are desperate to leave the spy agency seeking other options, well-placed sources have told Dawn.

There is a growing feeling within the agency that it stands today “no more than a ‘sarkari akhbaar’ with its officers collecting reports from TV and friends in journalism”, said an Islamabad-based assistant director at the IB.

“We simply collect these IR (information reports), put them together in the form of a DSR (daily situation report) and forward it to the prime minister,” he said, adding that “journalists are quicker and tend to know more than us anyway”.

A grade-17 IB officer told Dawn that one of the reasons why many of the BPS 17 and 18 officials felt disgruntled was because “the actual work we do nowhere matches our expectations in terms of the nature of the work. I’d rather quit and join the ISI if I get the opportunity”.

The officer claimed that many of his colleagues were desperate to switch over to other institutions. He narrated the story of two assistant directors on an advanced promotional course at the IB’s Islamabad Academy who are now facing disciplinary action.

According to him, the two ADs had sought a no-objection certificate (NOC) from their seniors to be able to appear in an examination for a post at the provincial level. “When they were denied permission, they felt they had to take the risk and go ahead with the exam. They will now face the music.”

A newly-appointed assistant director told Dawn that while he agreed that his actual work nowhere matched what he had expected before joining, he could not ignore the monetary factor.

“On average a grade-17 IB officer gets around Rs18,000 basic salary. There is a tiny house allowance which effectively works out to be around Rs5,000. In contrast, the ISI offers lucrative packages even to civilian recruits. Risk allowance, displacement allowance, impressive house allowance and a car just to name a few things they (ISI) offer.”

He cited the case of a fellow assistant director who resigned from the agency a few days ago citing major housing issues in the city he was transferred to. The officer also claimed that currently four assistant directors appointed from Sindh are living in the new office block at Punjab Provincial HQ in Lahore.

“They have arranged their own mattresses and there is no official arrangement for food,” he said, adding: “I don’t wish to sound arrogant but you can’t just dump officers like that. After all we have worked really hard to get here.”

“I cannot disclose the exact funding as it is a classified matter, but I do believe that all that money could be better channelled to the ISI instead as they are doing a brilliant job,” said a senior official posted at the PPHQ in Lahore. He acknowledged that his officers were facing housing problems but attributed that to “limited funding”.

A deputy director at the IB claimed that to an extent the agency had become redundant because of the overlapping of operational domains with the Special Branch and the ISI. “There is a lot of overlapping of work between us and the SB. But we do have a technical edge over the other agencies as our domestic surveillance capabilities are unmatched,” he said. But he added that he was in favour of a “national security force that could be a merger between the IB, SB and possibly even the FIA. I think that could eliminate the lack of coordination problem and bring all the skills together under one hat. ”

But not all officials consider overlapping as a negative factor. “While you may argue that overlapping means spending double the money on the same task, equally you can also argue that such overlapping in intelligence business means more credible intelligence,” argued one senior IB official. He acknowledged that many men were quitting the agency, but added that “many of our officers are keen to quit because they have repeatedly sought arrest powers and the DG has categorically rejected that request. The men who want to quit are simply power hungry and want to be able to ‘pick up’ whoever they want”.

Dawn called IB’s Director General Dr Shoaib Suddle for his comments but he said that there was an official policy that prohibited serving intelligence chiefs from being quoted in the media.


Best of Luck!

When PMS is expected to held becoz at yet PPSC has not announced for it?

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i have received the offer letter from ib.
i will be going to is office on wednesday

I have also received.

First of all congrats to all selected members.

The Dawn article is definately thought probing. One must be clear in his mind as to what are his motivations to join any profession. It should not be only for reasons like influenca and power or money.

O well, enough of the moral lecture, Im sure not a lot of u are interested,

Any idea when the next exams will be held? And what is the upper age limit? Any relaxations etc?

Kind regards,

God of war