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Originally Posted by Sweet Devil
I have read all the above posts maybe some of us have some blurred notions.
1. The Afghan War and the Afghan policy was not a joke . At the Time of soviet invasion 1979 ., Had the soviet union established hold on Afghanistan -which it did they were at the border with Pakistan - Imagine the situation of Pakistan at that time , there was also a wave of terrorist attacks in Pakistan at that time specially in NWFP and other parts . we had to fight that war at all costs , and with-out the Tribes and helping people in Afghanistan we would have never been successful as we were unable to take soviet union head on with direct military engagement . so we took the Americans help , Zia was much better in that , then the stupid Musharraf .
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All very well my friend, but my question is, what did we gain from the war? America is now in control of Afghanistan and allied with India. Our own creation, the Taliban is murdering our soldiers, religious extremism is at an all time high and our economy is in a ditch. On top of all that, we have a massive insurgency in Baluchistan. Please tell me exactly how things would have been worse with the Soviet Union in control of Afghanistan.
The truth is that America used Pakistan like tissue paper; kept giving us aid until their purpose had been fulfilled and then left us to sort out the mess.
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, we could have got Kashmir had we fully supported the Khalistan movement ( which was genuine we did not create it
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Pakistanis have always lived in delusions as shown by the botched up Kargil operation.
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6. ZA Bhutto was a cunning man he would have taken this country to some place had he stayed in power . People like ZA Bhutto , Anwar Sadat , Shah of Iran , Shah Faisal of Saudi Arabia and lately dear old Qadafi etc , All of these people were part of Oil Embargo of 1967 and other policies adopted against the west ( also read about Carlos the Famous killer , what was his agenda and what work he did for the Arab's  ) .
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And Zia killed this man.
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Both Zia and ZA Bhutto were great men and loyal there country both were not corrupt , Both had vision for there country but Sadly both were not good politician's .
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Zia had vision for nothing except remaining in power.
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The current system of democracy or Kamino-cracy which we have will never yield any-thing for us. because it is not suited to us ,
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Dictators have ruled for half of our history, what have they done? Our democracy hasn't been allowed to mature.
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with people of multiple diaspora and divergent interests , all they can have is there own interests but not a national interest
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India is way more diverse than Pakistan is.
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In the End we need someone to manage this mess . for a couple of year Zia would be good , clean up this mess and what he himself left and then go back to his grave and we will all say May ALLAH be peace with him .
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Zia
created all this mess. May Allah punish him for all the blood spilled due to his actions.
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Maybe if we had Zia today, he would have planned Mujahideen chasing retreating Americans in the ships to gain some naval territory  (jk). |
Or maybe we could use some mujaheddin to capture Lyari and annex it
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1.With all due respect, members you are calling Zia.ul.Haq a liar as if today's rulers are pious and faithful. Zardari is a man of great character??
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Two wrongs do not make a right.
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2. Taliban took over Afghanistan in 1996 and PPP government recognized them, its on record.
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Zia created the Taliban, it was only fair that we recognize our own creation.
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3. In Zia's time there was hardly any loadshedding, today people are running from pillar to post for basic needs.
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Interesting point
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4. When Zia was alive everyone was praising him, today every one is abusing him... Isnt this hypocrisy? If Zia was hypocrite then we all are also hypocrites.
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Hard to praise someone now whose actions are still causing deaths from Kabul to Karachi.
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5. Zia was from within this population, he ruled like a king. His policies were good or bad, who cares but what he did was in the best national interest.
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No he didn't.
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6. Mr. Bhutto was responsible for East Pakistan crisis. Zia got rid of him on America's directions, that is not a secret.
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So he was a American slave. Is that supposed to be good for the country?
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7. If Zia used Islam for extending his rule then he did no harm. We dearly miss this sort of regime and his policies.
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No we don't.
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8. Private media has really given nothing to people, had Zia been here these tv anchors would have been in jails or military courts.
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Due to the private media, the masses are no much more politically aware.
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9. Dictatorship really led to economic growth in Pakistan
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Because democracy never really got a chance. BTW, dictatorship also gave us two wars with India, the Kargil fiasco and two wars in Afghanistan.