Maybe if we had Zia today, he would have planned Mujahideen chasing retreating Americans in the ships to gain some naval territory (jk).

1.With all due respect, members you are calling Zia.ul.Haq a liar as if today's rulers are pious and faithful. Zardari is a man of great character??

2. Taliban took over Afghanistan in 1996 and PPP government recognized them, its on record.

3. In Zia's time there was hardly any loadshedding, today people are running from pillar to post for basic needs.

4. When Zia was alive everyone was praising him, today every one is abusing him... Isnt this hypocrisy? If Zia was hypocrite then we all are also hypocrites.

5. Zia was from within this population, he ruled like a king. His policies were good or bad, who cares but what he did was in the best national interest.

6. Mr. Bhutto was responsible for East Pakistan crisis. Zia got rid of him on America's directions, that is not a secret.

7. If Zia used Islam for extending his rule then he did no harm. We dearly miss this sort of regime and his policies.

8. Private media has really given nothing to people, had Zia been here these tv anchors would have been in jails or military courts.

9. Dictatorship really led to economic growth in Pakistan.

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All very well my friend, but my question is, what did we gain from the war? America is now in control of Afghanistan and allied with India. Our own creation, the Taliban is murdering our soldiers, religious extremism is at an all time high and our economy is in a ditch. On top of all that, we have a massive insurgency in Baluchistan. Please tell me exactly how things would have been worse with the Soviet Union in control of Afghanistan.

The truth is that America used Pakistan like tissue paper; kept giving us aid until their purpose had been fulfilled and then left us to sort out the mess.

Pakistanis have always lived in delusions as shown by the botched up Kargil operation.


And Zia killed this man.

Zia had vision for nothing except remaining in power.


Dictators have ruled for half of our history, what have they done? Our democracy hasn't been allowed to mature.

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India is way more diverse than Pakistan is.



Zia created all this mess. May Allah punish him for all the blood spilled due to his actions.

Or maybe we could use some mujaheddin to capture Lyari and annex it

Two wrongs do not make a right.

Zia created the Taliban, it was only fair that we recognize our own creation.

Interesting point

Hard to praise someone now whose actions are still causing deaths from Kabul to Karachi.


No he didn't.

So he was a American slave. Is that supposed to be good for the country?

No we don't.

Due to the private media, the masses are no much more politically aware.


Because democracy never really got a chance. BTW, dictatorship also gave us two wars with India, the Kargil fiasco and two wars in Afghanistan.

Zia was a top strategist, he kept the country in his pocket for 11 years. Democracy got a chance for 4 and half years. This is why today we have no gas, no electricity, no jobs, no law and order, no justice. In Zia's time justice was accessible to all the people.

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Dear , The International relation and world politics does not work on emotion , morals of humanity or anything like that . Zia had a good strategy but he was not able to carry it to the final stage .

1. If soviet union would have been in control in Afghanistan there would have been no Pakistan , Read my Friend Read - The pakhtun khua movement ??? .

2. Pakistan has not lived under delusion and Kashmir is not a delusion just take a look at them map and just look at the rivers . This delusion would have to be made reality either part of us or independent , or start practicing DE-hydration droughts , India is not chum who will give you water easily or any other concession either develop some spine of get ready cow-tow .

3. To carry out your policies you have to remain in power or some system which would carry them on , thats why you have 2 time prime ministers , to carry out there loot and plunder policies ( there are just doing it on the name of Democracy (Kamino-cracy ).

4. The current system of governance will never help you will have dictators ( at least there is some order under there rule ) , Shame on this the democracy we have today for it i will happily prefer anything which would not have such a situation .

5. India is much more diverse yes and that is the benefit it has , we have 4 cultural or social division in our country , when they are so many as India they realize they have to work together . And another thing about India my friend they don't tolerate the kind of people we have , the Sikhs voiced but what did they get Bombing of the Golden Temple , and on our side every tom dick and harry starts saying pakistan na yeh nai dia woh nai dia , flan kha gaya , jab ka sab kha rahay hain they are all looting . Indians are quite Harsh then us in dealing with voice of decent , over here if anybody has 20 people behind him he claims leadership with a shit agenda completely out of touch with reality .

5. Zia had an expert policy , it was not him who created the mess , is were later government who could not manage a well thought out and 60% complete plan . It was Banazir who gave the list of the Khalistan Movement leaders to India .


my friend Things you cant win on ground , you can never win them on table

@mhmmdkashif's , 10 year is not a huge period Vietnam took much more then that , we have started the see the world though the eyes of media ( which is much more corrupt then the politicians ) . Zia did what he had to , it was the duty of later government to manage it , but they didn't and let it run .

I would say respectfully that Mr.Safdar Jang has stirred an utterly useless debate.Zia's status has been declared by the history.He lies in dustbin of history,abyss of dishonesty and in the depth of infamy.How could one defend a brabarous,shameless ruler who would draw pleasures from flogging.torture and public executions.Do not you see he lies in his tomb with no prayers offered,no flowers laid, no candles lit.This year his son Ijaz,did not even attend his death anniversary and made a timely flight to Umra to avoid the farce at his tomb on 17 August.So inhuman was he that he did not allow the relations of Bhutto to see him for the last time.And such was the revenge of the nature that no one could ever see Zia after his death even if one wished to do so.
And I request the aspirants to avoid praising Zia in papers or interview lest they should pay the price in shape of less marks.

@mechrose37 , Calling Zia barbarous and shameless rule , Flogging people and public executions , just pic up a book of law , or goggle it , and just read is the logic behind giving punishment why it should be given , and what are the ends that a punishment should achieve, you would get the answer . and what type of argument is this (no prayers offered,no flowers laid, no candles lit) , just go to mazare Quaid , and try to see how many offer Fateha there and light candles ( you will feel sorry , for poor quaid ) . Bhuttos Wife and Banazir meet ZA bhutoo before his sentence was carried out . I am not defending Zia on the Bhutto question but sometimes things are not as worse as you perceive them to be , just as the Jewish Holocaust is a farce

Here comes another Zaid Hamid ka mureed...

Evidence, if you please, sir.

Dear Sweet Devil,

It seems that devotion to Zia has clouded your judgement and thinking.I think you should read history.Barbarous punishments were inflicted to instill fear,shock and awe into hearts of Pakistanis.If Zia were so an angel and capable ruler,as you insist,why did Nawaz Sharif,the beneficiary of Zia disown him ?Why does not he go to attend his farcical anniversary ?

Please read history,be logical,lift yourself from petty alignments and let the scales fell from your eyes.As a man he was malicious and mean,as a ruler a highly incapable and incompetent person,as a statesman he was a puppet stringed by USA,as a religious person ,he distorted the image of Islam and played havoc with the sacred concept of Jihad.

HE met the fate of Saddam,Reza Pehalvi,Pinochet,Qaddafi etc----------a logical end for a US stooge who established a reign of tyranny and oppression to please his foreign masters and lengthen his tyrannical rule (read misrule).He is a stinking and abhorrent character of history.Pakistan would not forgive such a monster.

Your sense of humour has incredibly sharpened.