Here is my question to the 12 compulsory subjects theory
How is it going to make the exams more competitive when the students attempting CSS come from vastly different educational backgrounds?
I mean what possible combination of 12 subjects is there which every person attempting CSS would have studied previously? I don't think there is any considering that people ranging from engineers to doctors to lawyers to graduates from various fields all aspire to be civil servants.
I think what we need is a uniform policy regarding the difficulty level of the optional exams and their marking and perhaps even additional tests to judge aptitude, something along the lines of SAT may be?

If u have these 12 compulsory subjects..like those that I have mentioned..it would ensure nobody has studies all of them..An arts student might have studied Indo Pak history and sociology..An economics student might have studied economics..This makes the exam more competitive by limiting the undue advantage that some people get..Just consider engineers who can opt for Maths and Physics together..This makes for a combination that has 400 high scoring marks..and this immediately puts the others at disadvantage..And I reiterate that u can't compare a person who has 200 marks economics with a person with 200 marks persian..Ofcourse the person with economics has studied far more,opted for a much riskier subject than the one who has got persian..My point is that we should have subjects that are useful in the future as well..How is persian ,arabic and U.S history going to help in most service groups in CSS..

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@ hamza
I reckon my point still stands, don't you think the combination you've mentioned would be unfair to a person who has studied say maths or physics or biology as compared to someone with a degree in computer science or economics?
I agree that subjects like Persian and European history etc are not very useful for a civil servant in Pakistan so perhaps a SAT like test is a more suitable option. After all a high score on SAT is good enough to get you into Yale, Harvard and Princeton etc so shouldn't it be a good measure for judging CSS candidates?

@ Hamza
well Hamza i agree with u that subjects like British history and European history will not be of any help to civil servants in their line of work.i have heard that fpsc is considering to induct Economics,Public adminstration,con.law and urdu as compulsory subjects.apart from urdu other three subjects will be useful for future csp but in my opinion no language whether regional or urdu should be made compulsory.
@ gameface
dear whether candidate has studied maths or biology does not matter in his group allocation.all csp officers have to study some common subjects.it is not necessary that all subjects suit the academic background of every candidate.

Wouldn't u think this will make the exams highly partisan in the favour of people who have studied mathematics and have been educated in the O'level system(Mind it that I also am an O.Level student)..I don't think a shallow exam based on the pattern of SAT or GMAT would be good enough for choosing civil servants..I have taken GMAT and tub mujhe andaza hua tha k what a joke GMAT wasThey should have a system in place which makes a level playing field for every candidate..Answering ur argument,I think a non-maths student would be at a similar disadvantage at Computer and IT skills..And the economics that FPSC is going to introduce is Development Economics..it isn't hardcore stuff like macroeconomics etc,rather a theoretical subject..
Plus,in Civil Services u got to have aptitude for subjects like Pakistan Affairs,Current Affairs etc..coz Physics isn't gonna help u as a DMG officer..Pak affairs,development economics or Law surely will..So these subjects are a necessary evil because Civil services is made for someone who has a grasp on these 'Analytical subjects'..I am myself a finance student,and thought it was hard on us that we had to study these non technical and art subjects in CSS..But now I find,that really they are the subjects that are going to make u a Civil servant.It takes more aptitude getting a perfect Pak Affairs paper than a Perfect Maths or Finance paper..THAT IS precisely why these are compulsories..This means that unless u got aptitude and understanding of these subjects,no way ur gonna be a CSP.U might become a CSP with a failed optional,but not a failed compulsoryThat's y FPSC is now closing the door on these 40 optionals..

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First of all let me tell you that the subjects which are being considered to be made compulsories are public administration and urdu to the best of my knowledge. Secondly, why Urdu should not be made as compulsory? Would you please explain with some reasons? Its none but our national language. I hereby wanna qoute Hamza brother that on one side we mourn that we have became a slave nation because of the policies of our rulers but have a look at our menatality, we are ready to appear in two papers of english i.e precis paper and essay paper but not ready to accept our national language as a compulsory subject.
@Hamza Salick
I strongly second you on this that subjects like Public Administration, Economics, Computer Skills and basic IT, Sociology, Indo-Pak history
Basic Law of the land and Urdu must be made compulsories and there should be no optionals at all. This would help to make civil servants more capable of serving the nation in a better way and would also minimize the role of Luck in exams.

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[QUOTE=Usman Cheema;304050]First of all let me tell you that the subjects which are being considered to be made compulsories are public administration and urdu to the best of my knowledge. Secondly, why Urdu should not be made as compulsory? Would you please explain with some reasons? Its none but our national language. I hereby wanna qoute Hamza brother that on one side we mourn that we have became a slave nation because of the policies of our rulers but have a look at our menatality, we are ready to appear in two papers of english i.e precis paper and essay paper but not ready to accept our national language as a compulsory subject.
Yes, urdu is our national language but if i oppose it induction as a compulsory subject it does not mean that we have became a slave nation and when we appear in two papers of english language than why not urdu.people of four provinces r demanding national language status for their regional languages then why not these languages be made compulsory and i want to know how urdu will help civil servants because as a national language we know it enough to serve the purpose.

Yeah I agree with u completely..Urdu should be added to compulsories as well.And optionals should be dispensed away with.

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But I would like to add that the standard of urdu that we demand in CSS papers shouldn't be very high..It should be much like 'Functional Urdu'..Because if we start taking the CSS compulsory Urdu on the same line s of PMS Urdu,it would skew the exam in favour of Punjab candidates..Because after all,they have the best urdu skills barring a few people from Karachi..This would put off people from Sindh,Baluchistan and KPK..Urdu should be there,no doubt,but the standard shouldn't be very high..

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I am not able to understand that either you are speaking in the favor of Urdu here or against it.

@Hamza Salick

Fully agreed.

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