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Last Island Saturday, March 14, 2009 02:06 PM

@ Raz and Atif

Quarreling over a cup of tea ? :pp

I solved it on Thursday and for more help i m providing you some links.


1. [URL="http://72.14.235.132/search?q=cache:MsHjt6uWVN0J:pepearca.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/teoria-y-ejercicios-de-reported-speech.doc+%22he+offered+to+bring+me+some+tea%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=pk"]http://72.14.235.132/search?q=cache:MsHjt6uWVN0J:pepearca.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/teoria-y-ejercicios-de-reported-speech.doc+%22he+offered+to+bring+me+some+tea%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=pk[/URL]

(Scroll down. See F, example 3)

2. [URL="http://72.14.235.132/search?q=cache:d8_qm5mMZ2sJ:www.sabuco.com/ingles/eloy/1bach/reported.pdf+%22he+offered+to+bring+me+some+tea%22&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=pk"]http://72.14.235.132/search?q=cache:d8_qm5mMZ2sJ:www.sabuco.com/ingles/eloy/1bach/reported.pdf+%22he+offered+to+bring+me+some+tea%22&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=pk[/URL]

(Part 6 [FONT=Times][SIZE=3][FONT=Times][B], See offers)

[/B]3. [URL="http://books.google.com.pk/books?id=__6uAh8FR2kC&pg=PA109&lpg=PA109&dq=%22he+offered+to+bring++me+some+tea%22&source=bl&ots=unR1UsOpbi&sig=1TYCWLcjt6GlXEC-osex4Gohv0w&hl=en&ei=IXO7Sc-jLMnWkAXUzPmWCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result"]http://books.google.com.pk/books?id=__6uAh8FR2kC&pg=PA109&lpg=PA109&dq=%22he+offered+to+bring++me+some+tea%22&source=bl&ots=unR1UsOpbi&sig=1TYCWLcjt6GlXEC-osex4Gohv0w&hl=en&ei=IXO7Sc-jLMnWkAXUzPmWCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result[/URL]

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dr.atifrana Saturday, March 14, 2009 05:00 PM

[B]Paper 1988[/B]

6. Transform any five of the following sentences into Indirect form: 10
a) The boy said to his teacher, “I do not know the answer”.
b) The beggar said, “May you live long and grow rich”
c) "It is very hot today, “cried the boys, “we cannot play.”
d) She said, “what a fine morning it is!”
e) She said, “I am not telling a lie.”
f) He said, "I will come to see you tomorrow.”
g) He said to him, “I really need your help.”
h) She said. “Can you tell me what the time is.”


[B]Paper 1985[/B]
5. Use any five of the following phrases in your own sentences so as to make their meaning
clear: 10
Ab initio, Bona fides: En bloc; Ex paste, Sine die, Status quo, Ad valorum; Alter ego


Rgds

Future Saturday, March 14, 2009 05:06 PM

[B]En Bloc[/B]

As a unit; all together:

I have been drawing our attention to the public and private qualities of the several arts lest they be treated en bloc.

[B]Sine Die[/B]

Parliament was dismissed sine die.

[B]Status quo [/B]

We don't want to admit more singers to the chorus; we like the status quo.

Raz Saturday, March 14, 2009 05:17 PM

[quote=dr.atifrana]

[B]Paper 1985[/B]
5. Use any five of the following phrases in your own sentences so as to make their meaning
clear: 10
Ab initio, Bona fides: En bloc; Ex paste, Sine die, Status quo, Ad valorum; Alter ego


Rgds[/quote]

[B]Ab initio: From very begining[/B]

usage: Contract with a minor is void ab initio.

[B]Bona fides: Genuines of or done in good faith [/B]
usage: Verify the bona fides of the mandatory documents of prospective accountholders before opening their accounts.

[quote=dr.atifrana][B]Paper 1988[/B]

6. Transform any five of the following sentences into Indirect form: 10
a) The boy said to his teacher, “I do not know the answer”.
b) The beggar said, “May you live long and grow rich”
c) "It is very hot today, “cried the boys, “we cannot play.”
d) She said, “what a fine morning it is!”
e) She said, “I am not telling a lie.”
f) He said, "I will come to see you tomorrow.”
g) He said to him, “I really need your help.”
h) She said. “Can you tell me what the time is.”

[/quote]
a) The boy told to his teacher that he did not know the answer.
b) The beggar blessed me that I might live long and grow rich.
c) Boy cried that it was very hot that day so they could not play.
d) She exclaimed that it as a fine morning.
e) She told that she was not telling a lie.
f) He said that he would come to see me the next day.
g) He said to /requested him that he really needed his help.
h) She asked / enquired of me if I could tell him what the time was.

Chauhdary12 Saturday, March 14, 2009 06:25 PM

[quote=dr.atifrana]
6. Transform any five of the following sentences into Indirect form: 10
a) The boy said to his teacher, “I do not know the answer”.
b) The beggar said, “May you live long and grow rich”
c) "It is very hot today, “cried the boys, “we cannot play.”
d) She said, “what a fine morning it is!”
e) She said, “I am not telling a lie.”
f) He said, "I will come to see you tomorrow.”
g) He said to him, “I really need your help.”
h) She said. “Can you tell me what the time is.”
[/quote]

[quote=Raz]
a) The boy told to his teacher that he did not know the answer.
b) The beggar blessed me that I might live long and grow rich.
c) Boy cried that it was very hot that day so they could not play.
d) She exclaimed that it as a fine morning.
e) She told that she was not telling a lie.
f) He said that he would come to see me the next day.
g) He said to /requested him that he really needed his help.
h) She asked / enquired of me if I could tell him what the time was.
[/quote]

Assalam-u-Alaikum
Brother Raz, some changings plz....

a) The boy told his teacher that he did not know the answer.
OR
a) The boy requested his teacher that he did not know the answer.

b) The beggar prayed that I might live long and grow rich.

c) The Boys cried that it was very hot that day and they could not play.
OR
c) The Boys shouted that it was very hot that day and they could not play.

d) She exclaimed with astonishment that it was a very fine morning.
OR
d) She exclaimed with wonder that it was a very fine morning.

e) She told that she was not telling a lie.

f) He said that he should come to see me the next day.

g) He requested him that he really needed his help.

h) She asked/enquired if I could tell her what the time was.

Zirwaan Khan Saturday, March 14, 2009 06:34 PM

@chaudhry

[B]Here i guess we are talking of only one essay which is being compared with another ,not essays .So the time when you compare an essay and then you finally find [U]it[/U] either identical or different from the one compared .Them is only used when two or more essays are compared with another one.[/B]

Raz Saturday, March 14, 2009 06:43 PM

[quote=Chauhdary12]Assalam-u-Alaikum
Brother Raz, some changings plz....


b) The beggar prayed that I might live long and grow rich.

c) The Boys cried that it was very hot that day [B]and[/B] they could not play.

d) She exclaimed with astonishment that it was a very fine morning.
OR
d) She exclaimed with wonder that it was a very fine morning.

f) He said that he should come to see me the next day.

h) She asked/enquired if I could tell her what the time was.[/quote]

Thank you brother: specially for h) where I mistakenly wrote [B]him[/B] without giving it proper time.
But when we use "enquired" it becomes necessary to attach "of" otherwise we can simply use "asked" instead of "enquired of"
Please mods change "him" into "her" in my original post reference h) ......because I can not tolerate that minor error which is a blunder ultimately.

c) please confirm from any authentic source whether "and" is perfect or "so" ??????????
d) adding nature of exclamation gives sound look. You have attempted it in a better way.
f) you have rightly pointed out because here he is showing his extra emphasis / surety to see me.

g) We can use "blessed" or "prayed".

[quote=Tauqeer Kurd]@chaudhry

[B]Here i guess we are talking of only one essay which is being compared with another ,not essays .So the time when you compare an essay and then you finally find [U]it[/U] either identical or different from the one compared .Them is only used when two or more essays are compared with another one.[/B][/quote]

Jigar Tauqeer:

Look at the original sentence:

[B]v) I compared his essay to Mushtaq’s and found them to be almost identical.[/B]

Indeed, for comparison at least two things/ objects are needed as reference points. Even if the title of both the essays is same suppose "Honesty is the best policy", these are two different pieces because one pertains to Mushtaq and other to the person about whom we are discussing.

Essays fall in the category of things so "these" sounds better than "them".

happy ending Saturday, March 14, 2009 10:03 PM

ok lemme try
 
[B]Paper 1988[/B]
[B]6. Transform any five of the following sentences into Indirect form: 10[/B]

a) The boy said to his teacher, “I do not know the answer”.
a) The boy said to his teacher that he didnot know the answer.


b) The beggar said, “May you live long and grow rich”
b) The beggar prayed for my long life and wealth.

c) "It is very hot today, “cried the boys, “we cannot play.”
c] The boys cried that they couldnot play because it was very hot that day .

d) She said, “what a fine morning it is!”
d] She exclaimed that is was a fine morning.

e) She said, “I am not telling a lie.”
e) She explained that she was not telling a lie .


f) He said, "I will come to see you tomorrow.”
He told that he would come to see me the next day .

g) He said to him, “I really need your help.”
He requested him that he really needs his help.
or
He requested [begged] him for his help .

h) She said. “Can you tell me what the time is.”
She inquired about the time from me .

[B]Paper 1985[/B]5. Use any five of the following phrases in your own sentences so as to make their meaning

[B].Ab initio,[/B] :from the beginning;
Those who stand up after falling never mind to start a task ab inito.

[B] Bona fides: [/B] : Good faith or trust .
Once you establish your Bona fides your promotion is definite in the organisation .
or
your promotion is definite in the company provided you establish your bona fides.

[B]En bloc; [/B]: as a whole
The leading political party resigned en bloc from the Legislative Assembly.

[B]Ex paste,[/B] :????

[B]Sine die,[/B] :without any day being fixed
The meeting was adjourned sine die .

[B]Status quo, [/B] : the state in which affairs actually are .
The mediator also helps to maintain the status quo between two opposing groups.


[B]Ad valorum; [/B] : in accordance with the value .
You will have to keep the balance ad valorum if you want to be on right side .

[B]Alter ego[/B];????

"errors correction acceptable "

Best Wishes
H.E

dr.atifrana Saturday, March 14, 2009 11:05 PM

Ab me angrez bannene ki koshish krta hun

b) The beggar said, “May you live long and grow rich”
b) The beggar prayed for my long lif and growing rich.

c) "It is very hot today, “cried the boys, “we cannot play.”
c] The boys cried that they couldnot play because that was a very hot day.
or
The boys clamored for/because the day was very hot and they couldnot play .

d) She said, “what a fine morning it is!”
d] She exclaimed that that was such a fine morning.

g) He said to him, “I really need your help.”
He implored for his help.

Alter ego:very close friend
Ferhan is my alter ego.

Raz Saturday, March 14, 2009 11:15 PM

[quote=happy ending][B]Paper 1988[/B]
[B]6. Transform any five of the following sentences into Indirect form: 10[/B]

b) The beggar said, “May you live long and grow rich”
b) The beggar prayed for my long life and wealth.
e) She explained that she was not telling a lie .
h) She said. “Can you tell me what the time is.”
She inquired about the time from me .

H.E[/quote]

@happy ending:

b) You have excessively played with this sentence. Major reshuffling is not desired. Look at following solution which seems more accurate:
[B]The beggar prayed that I might live long and grow rich.[/B]
h) Likewise this sentence has lost its proper meaning by major reshuffling.

Following two solutions sound reasonable:

[B]She asked me if I could tell her what the time was.[/B]
OR

[B]She enquired of me if I could tell her what the time was.[/B]

e) You have beautifully answered this question


Regards

[quote=dr.atifrana]Ab me angrez bannene ki koshish krta hun

[/quote]

@dr.atifrana:

hahahahahahahaha:laughing :laughing
bhai angrez bano zaror bano lakin esa angrez tab tak na bano jub tak CSS Exam finish nhi hota. Warna angrez hi reh jaogy.


Kidding


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