@drvalentino
Bhai mujhay app say koi shikayat nahi laikin jo main ny likha ho wo bhi to parho. Context pay baat karo na.
Virginity wali example main kya bura hay.
Bhuddah Paul respectable people nahi kya.
Or "charter of medina, conquest of medina, dealings with ambassadors,rights of human beings on equal basis" main nay in kay baray main aik word bhi nahi kaha.

Or yeah CSS 2010 main mera optional subject tha Islamic History and Education. Ab pass kya hay tou kuch parha to ho ga.

You know you are a reactive, impulsive and innocent kind of person. Anyways please carefully read what i wrote and then jo dil main aye wo kahna

No Islam does not promote violence nor it supports any violent ideology. However, some followers of Islam do.

cheers,
floydian

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39th Common Training Program

The expansion which you are referrring to by Hazrat Umar(RA) and other khulfa-e-rashideen was not aggressive expansion at all, it was pre decided during Muhammad(PBUH) life. Only those areas to which Muhammad (PBUH) wrote letters and who did not subjected were conquered, there was not a single inch aggressed beyond that. If you remember Hazrat Umar(RA) once mentioned ka "Mein chahta hoon ka in ka darmiyan darya dajla ho, ka ye wohi ruk jaye aur ye silsila yahi khattam ho jaye" the reason is that he has only expanded which were mentioned to him by holy prophet.

Now comes the question of Ummayad and Abbasids, they were the super power of their time and their expansion was purely on their own. Usually people connect the expansionary and hegemonic aggression policy of ummayads and abbasids with khulfa-e-rashideen. Which is totally incorrect. They were at power and to keep abreast with their mentality they expanded, although their intension was not purely Islamic. Example was Muhammad Bin Qasim who was sent by Hajjaj Bin Yusaf to conquer Sindh, but as new Khalifa took over, he recalled Muhammad Bin Qasim and sentence him to death on his personal grudges.

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Assistant Commissioner (IRS)

1- So now you believe that the expansion of Islamic Empire after Caliphate era was an act of aggression for which there can be no explanation and is condemnable. Right?

2- And regarding battles during Khilafat era You hold Prophet Muhammad responsible for these and say that he was the one who designed this plan. And you mean to say that Prophet Muhammad waged a war against those countries whose rulers were sent letters by him but who denied to embrace Islam. Right?

Well. I cannot agree to the second point at least because I have many reasons to believe that the Prophet never forced anyone to embrace Islam. Take examples of Jews of Medina. Even Quran prohibits the use of force for bring conversions "LA Ikraa'h Fi Al-Deen" meaning Deen main koi jabar nahi.

Do you have any historical evidence to supports your argument that Umer's and Usman's Military strategy was actually devised by the Prophet Muhammad

So what do you think are the reasons behind some-of-the-muslim's aggressive approach. And why all of them do that in the name of Jihaad. Do they sincerely misinterpret this term or they manipulate it for their ill intentions. Why the wage terrorist attacks in the name of Jihad? Why their suicide bombers are taking lives of our innocent people in their quest of paradise. Why our Islamist parties condemn them straight away but only do this with agar magar. Is there something wrong with Islam or Interpretation of Quran or it is wrong with the Islamization of history producing euphoric nostalgia. where it is wrong and what is wrong and how to correct this.

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I will provide you more details on this issue very soon to clear the confusion.

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Assistant Commissioner (IRS)

Islam and the Question of Violence

Seyyed Hossein Nasr

Despite the presence of violence in many regions of the world ranging from Ireland to Lebanon to the Pacific Basin and involving many religions from Christianity to Hinduism, the Western world associates Islam more than any other religion with violence. The Muslim conquest of Spain, the Crusades - which were not begun by Muslims -, and the Ottoman domination of eastern Europe have provided a historical memory of Islam as being related to force and power. Moreover, the upheavals of the past few decades in the Middle East and especially movements using the name of Islam and seeking to solve problems of the Muslim world created by conditions and causes beyond the control of Muslims have only reinforced the idea prevalent in the West that in some special way Islam is related to violence.

To understand the nature of Islam and the truth about the assertion often made of Islam's espousal of violence. it is important to analyze this question clearly remembering that the word islam itself means peace and that the history of Islam has certainly not been witness to any more violence than one finds in other civilizations, particularly that of the West. In what follows. however, it is the Islamic religion in its principles and ideals with which we are especially concerned and not particular events or facts relating to the domain of historical contingency belonging to the unfolding of Islam in the plane of human history

First of all, it is necessary to define what we mean by violence. There are several dictionary definitions that can be taken into account such as 'swift and intense force', 'rough or injurious physical force or action', 'unjust or unwarranted exertion of force especially against the rights of others', rough or immediate vehemence' and finally 'injury resulting from the distortion of meaning or fact'. If these definitions are accepted for violence, then the question can be asked as to how Islam is related to these definitions. As far as 'force' is concerned, Islam is not completely opposed to its use but rather seeks to control it in the light of the divine Law (al-shari'a). This world is one in which force is to be found everywhere, in nature as well as in human society, among men as well as within the human soul. The goal of Islam is to establish equilibrium amidst this field of tension of various forces. The Islamic concept of justice itself is related to equilibrium, the word for justice (al-'adl) in Arabic being related in its etymology to the word for equilibrium (ta'adul). All force used under the guidance of the divine Law with the aim of re-establishing an equilibrium that is destroyed is accepted and in fact necessary, for it means to carry out and establish justice. Moreover, not to use force in such a way is to fall prey to other forces which cannot but increase disequilibrium and disorder and result in greater injustice. Whether the use of force in this manner is swift and intense or gentle and mild depends upon the circumstances, but in all cases force can only be used with the aim of establishing equilibrium and harmony and not for personal or sectarian reasons identified with the interests of a person or a particular group and not the whole.

By embracing the 'world' and not shunning the 'kingdom of Caesar', Islam took upon itself responsibility for the world in which force is present. But by virtue of the same fact it limited the use of force and despite all the wars, invasions, and attacks which it experienced. it was able to create an ambiance of peace and tranquillity which can still be felt whenever something of the traditional Islamic world survives. The peace that dominates the courtyard of a mosque or a garden whether it be in Marrakesh or Lahore is not accidental but the result of the control of force with the aim of establishing that harmony which results from equilibrium of forces, whether those forces be natural, social or psychological.

As for the meaning of violence as 'rough or injurious physical force or action', Islamic Law opposes all uses of force in this sense except in the case of war or for punishment of criminals in accordance with the shari'a. Even in war, however, the inflicting of any injury to women and children is forbidden as is the use of force against civilians. Only fighters in the field of battle must be confronted with force and it is only against them that injurious physical force can be used. Inflicting injuries outside of this context or in the punishment of criminals according to the dictum of the shari'a and the view of a judge is completely forbidden by Islamic Law.

As far as violence in the sense of the use of unjust force against the rights of others and laws is concerned, Islam stands totally opposed to it. Rights of human beings are defined by Islamic Law and are protected by this Law which embraces not only Muslims but also followers of other religions who are considered as 'People of the Book (ahl al-kitab)'. If there is nevertheless violation in Islamic society, it is due not to the teachings of Islam but the imperfection of the human recipients of the Divine Message. Man 15 man wherever he might be and no religion can neutralize completely the imperfections inherent in the nature of fallen man. What is remarkable, however, is not that some violence in this sense of the word does exist in Muslim societies, but that despite so many negative social and economic factors aggravated by the advent of colonialism, overpopulation, industrialization, modernization resulting in cultural dislocation, and so many other elements, there is less violence as unjust exertion of force against others in most Islamic countries than in the industrialized West.

If one understands by violence 'rough or immoderate vehemence'. then Islam is totally opposed to it. The perspective of Islam is based upon moderation and its morality is grounded upon the principle of avoiding extremes and keeping to the golden mean. Nothing is more alien to the Islamic perspective than vehemence, not to say immoderate vehemence. Even if force is to be used, it must be on the basis of moderation.

Finally, if by violence is meant 'distortion of meaning or fact resulting in injury to others', Islam is completely opposed to it. Islam is based on the Truth which saves and which finds its supreme expression in the testimony of the faith, la ilaha illa 'Llah (there is no divinity but the Divine). Any distortion of truth is against the basic teachings of the religion even if no one were to be affected by it. How much more would distortion resulting in injury be against the teachings of the Qur'an and the tradition of the Prophet!

In conclusion it must be emphasized that since Islam embraces the whole of life and does not distinguish between the sacred and the secular, it concerns itself with force and power which characterize this world as such. But Islam, in controlling the use of force in the direction of creating equilibrium and harmony, limits it and opposes violence as aggression to the rights of both God and His creatures as defined by the divine Law. The goal of Islam is the attainment of peace but this peace can only be experienced through that exertion (jihad) and the use of force which begins with the disciplining of ourselves and leads to living in the world in accordance with the dicta of the shar'ia. Islam seeks to enable man to live according to his theomorphic nature and not to violate that nature. Islam condones the use of force only to the extent of opposing that centripetal tendency which turns man against what he is in his inner reality. The use of force can only be condoned in the sense of undoing the violation of our own nature and the chaos which has resulted from the loss of equilibrium. But such a use of force is not in reality violence as usually understood. It is the exertion of human will and effort in the direction of conforming to the Will of God and in surrendering the human will to the divine Will. From this surrender (taslim) comes peace (salam), hence islam, and only through this islam can the violence inbred within the nature of fallen man be controlled and the beast within subdued so that man lives at peace with himself and the world because he lives at peace with God.

Source: http://www.aimislam.com/advent

Regards,

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First of all the question that “Does Islam promote violence?” is very childish. People around the world including Muslims see some Muslims indulging in violence and crimes against humanity and hence they ask the above stated question.

Does Christianity promote violence? Conquistadors, Nazi Germany, IRA

Why are Hindus more violent? Burning Christian Churches..? Abusing 'untouchables', etc

Does atheism promote violence? Soviet Russia...?

Why are Buddhists more violent? China...?

No religion in the world teaches violent ideology. Those misguided souls that are spreading fitna in the name of Jihad are surely Muslims but they do not have the true knowledge and guidance about Islam. They quote Quranic verses out of context (just like some non-Muslim critics of Islam) to validate their point. The people who are running terrorists groups mostly have maddarassa background where no one can question the taught syllabus. They believe in clergy but they do not know that in Islam there is no concept of clergy. The so called ulemas, religious scholars, qari sahibs, maulanas, amirs, imams and what not, they all are running their shops for their own fame, money and recognition. These stick wielding hooligans are nothing but fraud. Their shops thrive on violent ideology and hate mongering. They have nothing to do with the Islamic principles of tolerance, compassion, mutual respect, mercy, justice, knowledge seeking, rights and duties, discipline, mannerism and cleanliness. Jab dekho ye hazrrat dramay baazi kartay rehtay hai Islam ke naam pe. As if Islam in kay baap ki jaagir hai and only they are the true servants of Allah or baqi sab (we people) ya to munafiq hai ya phir murtad hai. If anyone disagrre with their approach they call him kaafir.

If we want to break their power and change the status quo then we must start by doing away with the present theocratic system. We must strive to make Pakistan what the Quaid wanted it to be, that is, a progressive country where theocrats have no role to play in the governance.

In my opinion the enlightened and educated Muslim youth around the world must rise up against these fitnas and be counted.

cheers,
floydian

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39th Common Training Program

“Okay! Okay! It's a religion of peace! Just get that sword away from my neck!” ~ Oscar Wilde on Islam

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Its rather naive to assume that something could prevail without force or sustain itself without power. Islam had to use force against the idolatrous benighted society and its patrons in order to establish One God's worship and rule. It was no easy for the infidels to submit to the will of One God whom they never could see or communicate with. So a certain amount of force was necessary to control them and keep their blades blunt. Many of you would not agree but Islam and all religions are blind religions. Its certain beyond anything that we can never ever see God with our eyes even prophets didn't see Him in His original form and we can never hear Him in our lifetimes. And seeing Him after death is only a belief, a hope. We can see no heaven, hell neither; we cannot see angels, we cannot know if our forefathers are in heaven, hell or they turned into dust and nothing else. Its sad but then if we believe what the Prophet pbuh asked us to believe and if God comes out to be true after death, we will have great rewards because we believed in Him without seeing Him, hearing Him. So no religion is for those who seek logic in everything because logic is an attribute of human mind and it is simply not applicable to all phenomenon in the physical universe let alone the spiritual world of God if it really exists. So dear all Our religion is a blind faith and we have to live with it because we either have the option of embracing it or end up being atheists. Since we are born to muslim parents and Islam does make a lot of sense and is a very good way of life so let's keep adhering to it without questions. Afterall life is very short and death is certain and after our eyes are closed forever, we will know the truth of it all.
@ Jazib! Einstein said that history shows that great minds always faced violent opposition from mediocre minds. So dear keep facing it on every thread you participate in and keep rising to the occasion because you have the power of knowledge and the sword of wit, keep incising through ignorant patches to seek the eternal light within.

A quick question before I try to answer your question.

Was Islam as an institution completed, before the death of Mohammad (SAW)?