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Old Tuesday, June 27, 2006
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Presedent Musharaf presented his famous "Enlightened moderation" theory for the uplift of muslim ummah,some people confuse it with westernisation...i want to know that:


1. What actually "enlightened moderation" is ?


2. Is it a "policy of appeasement" through which our president wants to please the west and prolong his rule ?


3. Islam itself is an enlightened religon/deen, so why Gen.Musharaf considered it necessary to give such a theory ?


4. Dont you think that this has divided the already frajile pakistani society?







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Old Wednesday, June 28, 2006
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AoA Khalid,
In my humble view,Enlightened Moderation is a novel concept given by President Musharaf as a two-pronged strategem.One of this prong has to be provided by the Muslim world(including pakistan)by completely shunning the violence as means to get its rights of all kind including rights to self-determination n resources,etc.
And the other prong has to be conceded by the developd non-muslim world in the shape of resolving the crises affecting muslim world such as suppression of their rights,so boldly championed by the western world and so brutally overlooked by them when it comes to muslim ummah.For example if east taimur,why not kashmir.If ireland,why not Palestine.
Islam is of course a complete code of life (Deen)and the most enlightened a religion,but what we are witnessing now is the fact that our very religious leaders have forgotten this ever alive reality and sadly employing the means to get their rights ,which are condemned by Islam.Never ever Islam allows us to kill innocent people indiscriminately only cuz they belong to the clan or nationality of oppressors.Ain't it like becoming Hitler and erase all jews.
How would you justify killing of few innocent jewish kids in a sucide bombing?You may say that the jews should also know such pangs when it comes to killing of innocent palestinian kids at their hands.But tell me would a wrong ever justify a wrong.Never.
Its what 'General Musharraf's enlightened moderation is all about.
I wd be glad to see any other comments on it as well by the members members so as to have a comprehensive view of the subjct.
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Let me correct you. He did not coin this phrase. His first point completely shunning the violence does not make sense when the occupied forces bent upon wipping out Muslims all around the word.The word 'completely' is wrong. There is no mass movement ranging from freedom struggles to political movement without any violence. He can not differentiate between legitimate freedom struggle and terrorism on the international front that is why Muslim freedom struggles have been overloaded by terrorism. Islam is an enlightened religion and gives the right direction i.e. through moderation. Muslims do lack a rightful leader. It had better if he stated it as "Moderate Enlightment" because "Enlightment Moderation" alludes to Islamic Moderation because Islam is a moderate religion but Islamic moderation does not mean completely shunning Islamic code of Life. I hope you got the point this time.
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i would try to restrict my views in some lines, the para-wise response is as under:

1. What actually "enlightened moderation" is ?

hmm.... Islam is already an enlightened religion, the president should have to preach the same thing instead of professing for enlightened moderation. however, he tried to divert the attention of many by propounding for enlightened moderation and becauase of this thinking of many pple changed and they got attraction towards pristine injunctions of the divine religion....

2. Is it a "policy of appeasement" through which our president wants to please the west and prolong his rule ?

dear, president has done a lot of good things for the country though there are many blunders committed by him yet his actions for consolidation of the country are indeed good enough, if musharaf won't have been at the presidency then definitely the conditions of Pakistan would have been very different, perhaps there could have been great problems/tensions .....

3. Islam itself is an enlightened religon/deen, so why Gen.Musharaf considered it necessary to give such a theory ?

v all know that Islam is enlightened religion and if we see through the annals of history we may encounter horrible atrocities committed by holders of christianity not only against other religions (specifically Muslims) but also for followers of christ; either it was crusades of eleventh century, spain of fifteenth century, ports of western india in fifteenth century or african Muslims. But west considered/treated Muslims as agressors/pple doing unhumane acts nd so on. there always remained need of resurgence and the duty was performed by many Muslims (nd they, by HIS grace, performed their duties well) and resurgence came in al parts of the globe, where Muslims abode in majority. perhaps the enlightened moderatoin of musharaf can also fall in this category

4. Dont you think that this has divided the already frajile pakistani society?

hmmmmmmm..... the theory had both positive and negative impacts on Pakistani society, but its negative impacts surpassed the other category. however, if the Ulema try to direct their disciples in right direction, they can do it and in this way the country's progress can be sped up

- may Almighty forgive me if i stated anything wrong

plz b praying, may ALlah be with you

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Mr.Desert fox,
You better clear your own views on the subject instead of confusing ours or mine at least.
The catch-all term of 'Enlightened Moderation' as is being discussed these days has been given by Presidnt Mushraf n none els.
So you want to conquer the whipping West by violence.Do it.But dont forget the greatest revolutions in human history have always been brought abt thru peaceful movemnts and renaissance and reformation from within.And Enlightened Moderation is aimed reformation from within and a dilogue to from without.Further,its not President Mushraf who is spposd to diffrntiate b/w legitimate freedom struggles n terrorism,but Its the UN to decide,the int'l community n here the diologue as one side of the "EM" means its time tht Intrnational community must come up with a sound law on differentiatng b/t political movemnts n terrorism..Unfortunately almost all the political crises at present involve in one way r the other Muslim Ummah.
The term "EM" never alludes anythng contrary to Islamic injunctions as u so hollowly claim.Its infact the very spirit of Islam that be enlightend n the be moderate in demanding ur birth rights..
I believe all is flat clear to u now.
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Sorry to Correct you again. You keep on supporting him vehemently and he will keen on ruling . He is a very clever personnel (I wont call him a politician).

Thats why he got 99% votes in favour in the Rigged refrendum and he is trying to repeat the same. Do you consider him a legitimate or rightful rule. Neither

he is a legitimate nor his predecessors were. He want to enforce "military democracy",where did this term come? he introduced it. His policies are at right

angle if not 180 degrees to the Islamic priciples. This is his concept of Enlightened Moderation. I want to ask you where is the Kashmire Freedom Stuggle.

Has not it been termed as Terrorism and where is the stand of Pakistan on Kashmire? and What about Baloachistan problem?. Does he want to create another east

Pakistan Scenario. He has to go either to the Baraks, where he truly belongs or to his son's home in USA.
As a matter of fact we have to correct ourself and it is Allah's promise he bestows rulers to the people according to their habits
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EM:
Its two pronged startegy:

One prong of that strategy, to keep General Musharf in power in Pakisatan. he needs some intellectual justification.
2nd prong of strategy, to be close to USA and simultaneolusly boast to represent islamic world.

This is spirt behind genral's mentra behind enlightened moderation. Otherwise Islam is peacful and tolreant religion with complete code of life. It does not need enlightened moderation but dictators in muslim worl like honsi mubark, musharaf, karmiove and many dictators need it.
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Sonia Jee,
Aap kafi guseili larki lagti hein, Itna gusa aap per juchta nahin... Zara thandi raha karein. Lagta hay Apnay Mushraf jee say kuch ziada he alergy hay..chorien bacha hay.. sumj jaey ga aakhir aap kion apna jee nahaq bura karti hein......LoLs
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i am not angry Mr. Surprise Attack...... I am surprise over u tha u donot knwo how to attack preemptively. so u need to follow Ayaz Aamir, he writes in DAWn friday. U will learn wha is criticism...


Remaining part of enlightened moderation....

First prong: to kill innocent Pak people in Baluchistan and Waziristan.. and vicitmize political opponenets.

2nd Prong: to develop relations with Israel whihc kills and mains innocent people day. Mushi Dynasyt will record history with the recognition of israel and he will be killed alongwith his enlightened moderation like Anwer Saadat.

This is real enlightened moderation. But donot worry there are many people who love to admire sitting govt:. Whole Kings Part (Q-League or Musharaf League) is saturated with such dumb people.......

May Allah Bless Pakistan real and honest leaders Like ME and Quaid Azam.

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Sonia Jee,
Hum preemptive attack nahin kartey.......bul k attack kay haq mein he nahin.. fighting is not my way... One should have the ability to resolve the differnces without anger.. Please aap bus gusa na kia karein aur thandi raha karein...Hum yahi chahtay hein ka aap ko kisi ki Ahh na lag jaey..
Be happy and at least make one people happy around you.... Aur zara sabar ka daaman tham lein Allah aap ko sila day ga
By da way you are not a good critic
Gusa lag gia na phir .... na na sonia jee Please accept the reality
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