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It is not the freak of patriotism, but an integral reality which is undeniable, that Pakistan is a result of the unflinching efforts of our leaders, and not any unintended outcome of the historical turbulent. The idea that Pakistan was a decisive destiny of the Muslims of sub-continent can be had from the concept of Allama Iqbal which he gave in his presidential address at AllahAbad in 1930: " It is my firm belief that the Muslims of the sub-continent will ultimately have to demand a separate homeland for them, as they could not live with Hindus in the united India". Although, the Quaid-e-Azam was a great advocate of the Hindu-Muslim unity since he believed that it was in favor of both of the communities, but by observing the prejudicial attitude of the congress he had convinced of the futility of expecting any fair-play and goodwill from the congress for the Muslims. He therefore began pondering to discern the solution for the probelms of the Muslims which he eventually found in the form of demanding a separate homeland.

A careful examination of all the historical facts would lead us to conclude that the accomplishment of Pakistan was no accidental happening, but was a settled fact which Muslims had rendered many sacrifices for.
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Claim should be proved with facts and figures.
Go read some books out of css circle and decide for yourself.
jinnah was no more than a drawing room politician.
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Go read some books out of css circle and decide for yourself.
jinnah was no more than a drawing room politician.
I agree with the great intellectuals politicians scholars view for Jinnah.
American writer Stanley Wolpert:
"Few individuals significantly alter the course of history. Few still modify the map of the world. Hardly anyone can be credited with creating a nation state. Muhammad Ali jinnah did all three".
The writer was not indian, not British. He was American.
As your per aspect show here the reference and facts that prove jinnah was no more than a drawing room politician.
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After reading the history of Indo-Pak one can conclude that the establishment of Pakistan was an accident. It seems that it was not Muslim League that worked hard for the establishment for Pk but those were the circumstances that led ML towards Pakistan. Idea of Pakistan was conceived in the manifesto of ML after a long time of its establishment. There was not any word like Pakistan till 1933. and ML was not a popular party till 1945. The result of 1937 shows the unpopularity of ML. And had the congress ministries not created and then resigned, ML would not have gained so much popularity. And the acceptance of 3 june Plan by M Ali Jinnah indicate that Jinnah was not ready to make Pakistan. But opposition of Congress of 3 June Plan changed the scenario. There are also so many facts that reveal that Establishment of Pakistan was an accident of 20th century. ww 2 was also major factor that forced British leave Subcontinent.
You should have put it in other words.. in my opinion establishment of Pakistan was a destiny not an accident...

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jinnah was no more than a drawing room politician.
Can you justify your statement by any logical ground.. your statement is ridiculous.
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Creation of Pakistan was as inevitable as the separation of Afganistan from Mughal Empire or Bhutan and Burma from British India or the Bangladesh from Pakistan. Later or sooner Pakistan was to be created. A united India is impossible.

At first when we go through history books it seems like it was either an ambition or an accident. But when we further consider the full context we can deduce Pakistan was to be created sooner or later.
I would like to quote;
Mahatma Gandhi: [Mr. Jinnah India must remain united.]
Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah: ……….. not everyone is Gandhi [in India].
Those who argue against Pakistan, can they assure that united India would have got leaders like Mahatma Gandhi or Muhammad Ali Jinnah.
Finally, I would go on to say, Indian Muslims find a little considered in their democracy may be just because of leverage provided by the creation of Pakistan.

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jinnah was no more than a drawing room politician.
In reply to this I have arrange a timeline of Mr. Jinnah's travelling in India and abroad. I have edited it to highlight a few things. Full version can be accessed at the link provided below. And please do consider how hard it was to travell at that time. I did not have time to highlight everything in his life but would hope it clears your point of view.

December 25, 1876 Born at Karachi
  • 1887 Admitted to Sind Madrasatul Islam, Karachi
  • 1892 Left Karachi for Europe
  • 1895 Became Bar-at-Law
  • 1896 Returned to Karachi from London and Migrated to Bombay
  • 1912 Attended All-India Muslim League Council Meeting
  • 1913 Left for England with Gokhale. Founded London Indian Association Joined All-India Muslim League
  • 1915 Initiated the move for setting up of a League-Congress joint committee for Hindu-Muslim unity
  • 1916 Presided over the sixteenth Bombay Provincial Conference Presided over the All-India Muslim League Lucknow session; Lucknow Pact signed
  • 1918 Married Rattenbai at Calcutta. Foiled the move to set up "Willingdon Memorial" in Bombay. Jinnah's People's Memorial Hall constructed as a tribute to his services.
  • 1922 Participated in All Parties Conference in Bombay as one of the three Secretaries
  • 1924 Presided over the All-India Muslim League session in Lahore
  • 1928 Attended National Convention at Calcutta
  • 1929 All-India Muslim League rejects Nehru Report at its Delhi session
  • 1930 Attended Round Table Conference in London
  • 1931 Stayed on in England; gave up political activities temporarily
  • 1934 Returned to India. Got actively engaged in politics. Again elected to the Central Legislative Assembly. Elected Permanent President of All-India Muslim League. Elected leader of the Independent Party in the Assembly
  • 1935 Government of India Act, 1935 passed. Jinnah-Rajendra Prasad Formula
  • 1936 Constituted All-India Muslim League Central Parliamentary Board to fight elections under 1935 Act
  • 1937 Provincial elections under 1935 Act
  • Congress forms ministries in six provinces; Congress raj begins
  • Jinnah presides over League session at Lucknow. All-India Muslim League turned into a mass organisation and compete independence adopted as goal
  • 1938 Presides over Special League Session at Calcutta. Presides over League Session at Patna.
  • 1939 Demand Royal Commission to inquire into Muslim grievances under Congress rule.
  • Day of Deliverance observed (on exit of Congress Ministries)
  • 1940 Historic Lahore (Pakistan) Resolution passed
  • 1943 Rejected Rajagopalachariya formula
  • Presided over All-India Muslim League's Karachi session and said: "We have got millions behind us; we have got our flag and our platform; and what is more we have now the definite goal of Pakistan." Toured the subcontinent like a storm


    Quaid-e-Azam accepting a loaf of bread from tribesmen in Khyber Agency
  • 1944 Jinnah-Gandhi talks
  • 1945 Participated in Simla Conference. Elected to Central Legislative Assembly
  • 1946 January 11, All-India Muslim League sweeps the polls in Muslim constituencies; Victory Day
  • April 4, Meeting with Cabinet Mission
  • April 9, Called a convention of all Muslim members of the Central and Provincial Assemblies at Delhi
  • May 16, Cabinet Mission Plan announced June League accepts Cabinet Mission Plan. League also accepts Short-Term. (Interim Government) Plan. July Conditional acceptance of Cabinet Mission Plan by Congress. Congress rejects Short- Term Plan. Viceroy's volte face on the formation of Interim Government. All-India Muslim League withdraws earlier acceptance, rejects Cabinet Mission Plan and announces boycott of Constituent Assembly. Called upon Members to renounce all British titles and honours in protest against British attitude towards Muslims and decides to launch Direct Action to wrest Pakistan.
  • August 16, Direct Action Day
  • October 25, All-India Muslim League agrees to participate in the Interim Government
  • December 2, Reaches London on invitation from Secretary of State
  • December 6, British Government's clarification upholds League's viewpoint on Cabinet Mission Plan
  • 1947 February 20, Prime Minister Attlee announces that the British would relinquish power in India by June 1948
  • June 3, Plan envisaging partition of India and establishment of Pakistan announced. Jinnah's historic broadcast accepting the Plan
  • July, Indian Independence Act passed by British Parliament
  • August 7, Left Delhi for Karachi by air
  • August 11, Elected President of Pakistan Constituent Assembly. Presidential address in the Constituent Assembly. Title of "Quaid-e-Azam" conferred on him
  • August 14, Pakistan comes into being; the Quaid-e-Azam sworn in as the first Gvernor-General
  • October, Set up headquarters at Lahore to supervise settlement of refugees in Punjab
  • December 25, First official birthday
  • 1948 July 1, Inaugurated State Bank of Pakistan; gave a call for evolving a new economic system
  • July 14, Left again for rest at Ziarat
  • August 14, First Independence Day; last message to the nation
  • September 11, Returned to Karachi from Ziarat; Breathed his last.

http://m-a-jinnah.blogspot.com/2010/...id-e-azam.html
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Dear accident occurs in very short passage of time and behind them there is not even a single motive. But Burani visited sub-continent in the 11th century he made clear that Hindus and Muslims are not the same from any point of view or angel. They are different from every aspect. So how can it be accident. Besides, i will add that "need comes first then anything invent or discovered"
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Vijay Lakshmi,wife of pandit jawahar laal nehru said..

agar muslim league k pass 100 gandhi aur 200 abu a kalam hotey aur congress k pass sirf Muhammad Ali Jinnah hota to hindustan taqseem na hota

drawing room ma beth kar aik shakhs na itna bara kaam kardiya to socho agar wo drawing room sa bahar a jata to???
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I thought you were css aspirant so thats why I talked academically.The fact is you are talking generally and i gave you an academic answer to satisfy your need of css which you donot have.so no offence please.thanks.

Sir there is no offence. Yes i m aspirant but above views have no thing to do with my aspiration. I know how to deliver all these bitter facts in paper but we at least should know what is the reality. Thanks
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Well iam not interested in discussing jinnah. I made my statement and those who are interested then Study those letters that were written by the viceroys of India to the British Prime Ministers and by the British Prime Ministers to viceroys of India. They are part of British Library now. It will be evidently proved that jinnah was a drawing politician and a hypocrite.
And hey jinnah is not a Prophet, so liking and following him is not a compulsion, at least not for me.
So i still stand by my own opinion of disliking him.
You guys stand by your own.
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Well iam not interested in discussing jinnah. I made my statement and those who are interested then Study those letters that were written by the viceroys of India to the British Prime Ministers and by the British Prime Ministers to viceroys of India. They are part of British Library now. It will be evidently proved that jinnah was a drawing politician and a hypocrite.
And hey jinnah is not a Prophet, so liking and following him is not a compulsion, at least not for me.
So i still stand by my own opinion of disliking him.
You guys stand by your own.
You should also read the book of Stanely Wolpert "Jinnah of Pakistan"... read what he has said....
If you don,t like him, I am sorry to say You are blind and deaf...
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