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Pk affairs+ Current affairs+ EDS are taken as general knowledge and one has to get adn aggregate of 120 out of 300 in it to pass. So 40% of the 300 in Gk.
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Roll Number 2371
Candidate Name : ARSHAD MEHMOOD ABBASI
Merit No 11

Essay 69
English 57
GK1 (Everyday Science) 52
GK2 (Current Affairs) 64
GK3 (Pakistan Affairs)64
Islamiat 57
Political Science
Paper A 75
Paper B 46
History of Pak and India
Paper A 51
Paper B 64
Constitutional LAW 63
International LAW 63

Marks in Written 725
Marks in Viva Voce 223


Total Marks 948
Essay 69...Oh my God..I can't believe a person can write such an essay (keeping in view the the scoring trend).
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Essay 69...Oh my God..I can't believe a person can write such an essay (keeping in view the the scoring trend).
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Which books had you followed for agriculture and forestry?
masood a quraishi volume 1 &2

i have a msc hons degree in agriculture so both agri and forestry gave me good marks.
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I respect your opinion, however your point regarding "Sifarish" is totally out of question. NO SIFARISH AT FPSC. Kuddo to them.

As a proof, I am from a lower middle class, don't have any political affiliations and don't have any sifarish. But, Alkhamdullilah, stands 2nd in AJK, 176th in Pakistan.

The panel considers the interview a totally separate thing than the written. I got 650 in written but 205 in interview. In interview it is not only your knowledge which is checked (or generally it is not checked at all in interview), rather it is your appearance, behaviour, attitude, promptness and alertness etc is checked. As a former Human Resources Manager, when I interview the candidates for any position, I consider it totally separate than the written test marks. Rather I check the candidates commitment, team work, communication skills, personality and cost effectiveness.

After rating on these criterion, the marks are added up with the written marks and merit is made. This is how we do in private sector, in fact in one of the best organization in the world. I think same goes true for FPSC.
so the candidates scoring 700 and 800 plus are not having these qualities... how you can justify it
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Written marks have 0% impact on viva marks. Please try to understand why viva is conducted: to check ones personality, temperaments, promptness, alertness, behavior, attitude, gesture, posture, psychological normality/abnormality etc. It does not have to do anything with written marks.
psychologicaly abnormal can get 700 and 800 score??
if it does not have anything to do with written then why 1200 marks for written???
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psychologicaly abnormal can get 700 and 800 score??
if it does not have anything to do with written then why 1200 marks for written???
Isn't it a bit unjust to point out only one reason out of almost half a dozen provided by rose_pak ?
Without putting a question mark on some one's capabilities I simply say that interview of a candidate has very little to do with his/her knowledge. Panel usually remains concerned about presentation skills, gestures, response and attitude of candidate towards any given condition. It doesn't mean that a person who scores good in written and comparatively lesser in viva has psychological abnormality but he may not have managed to show his full potential at the time of interview. so instead of finding any pattern in examination system you must focus on their communication skills and other traits.
There is no pattern that those who scored high in written were awarded low in viva. I can provide dozens of examples of those who have their written score of less than 650 and have got viva score of less than 150 as well...
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Isn't it a bit unjust to point out only one reason out of almost half a dozen provided by rose_pak ?
Without putting a question mark on some one's capabilities I simply say that interview of a candidate has very little to do with his/her knowledge. Panel usually remains concerned about presentation skills, gestures, response and attitude of candidate towards any given condition. It doesn't mean that a person who scores good in written and comparatively lesser in viva has psychological abnormality but he may not have managed to show his full potential at the time of interview. so instead of finding any pattern in examination system you must focus on their communication skills and other traits.
There is no pattern that those who scored high in written were awarded low in viva. I can provide dozens of examples of those who have their written score of less than 650 and have got viva score of less than 150 as well...
i have specified one reason as an example..
i know each and every candidate having good score in viva would jump in and give their half a dozen reasons.. i still say the candidates getting good score in written also have all those half a dozen qualities
Note :i am not here to fight with anyone.. and i am not giving my point of view to win a medal here.. i am also talking on the basis of some examples..
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so the candidates scoring 700 and 800 plus are not having these qualities... how you can justify it
I have not said that. What I said was as a professional of Human Resources Management. In our private sector, and believe me I have been working for some of the best organizations in the world, the KNOWLEDGE part is checked through written tests and OTHER TRAITS are checked through interview. It is quite obvious that verbal and written skills are two different things. One can be master of later but zero in former and vice versa.

Now why the panel gives less marks to the one getting 700, 800 marks is their concern. I just gave my point of view on what I would do if I am hiring a person.


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psychologicaly abnormal can get 700 and 800 score??
if it does not have anything to do with written then why 1200 marks for written???
1200 written marks and 300 interview marks is already 75:25 ratio which means the ones good in writing skills are already given 75% pie of the cake. 25% is left for the ones who may or may not good in written but good in appearance. Any psychologist can answer your query about whether a psychologically abnormal person can get 700 ~800 marks.

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Isn't it a bit unjust to point out only one reason out of almost half a dozen provided by rose_pak ?
Without putting a question mark on some one's capabilities I simply say that interview of a candidate has very little to do with his/her knowledge. Panel usually remains concerned about presentation skills, gestures, response and attitude of candidate towards any given condition. It doesn't mean that a person who scores good in written and comparatively lesser in viva has psychological abnormality but he may not have managed to show his full potential at the time of interview. so instead of finding any pattern in examination system you must focus on their communication skills and other traits.
There is no pattern that those who scored high in written were awarded low in viva. I can provide dozens of examples of those who have their written score of less than 650 and have got viva score of less than 150 as well...
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i have specified one reason as an example..
i know each and every candidate having good score in viva would jump in and give their half a dozen reasons.. i still say the candidates getting good score in written also have all those half a dozen qualities
Note :i am not here to fight with anyone.. and i am not giving my point of view to win a medal here.. i am also talking on the basis of some examples..

Believe me it has nothing to do with my marks (are 205 good ~~ to be debated as well) in viva, whatever I have said was as a professional practices of the industry.

Personally, I think there is nothing bad giving weightage of 25% to the interview, totally unlinked with 75% weightage of written, to assess ones intra-personal and inter-personal skills. And please be clear: written skills are different than inter and intra-personal ones.
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I have not said that. What I said was as a professional of Human Resources Management. In our private sector, and believe me I have been working for some of the best organizations in the world, the KNOWLEDGE part is checked through written tests and OTHER TRAITS are checked through interview. It is quite obvious that verbal and written skills are two different things. One can be master of later but zero in former and vice versa.

Now why the panel gives less marks to the one getting 700, 800 marks is their concern. I just gave my point of view on what I would do if I am hiring a person.




1200 written marks and 300 interview marks is already 75:25 ratio which means the ones good in writing skills are already given 75% pie of the cake. 25% is left for the ones who may or may not good in written but good in appearance. Any psychologist can answer your query about whether a psychologically abnormal person can get 700 ~800 marks.



I second Farhad on this.




Believe me it has nothing to do with my marks (are 205 good ~~ to be debated as well) in viva, whatever I have said was as a professional practices of the industry.

Personally, I think there is nothing bad giving weightage of 25% to the interview, totally unlinked with 75% weightage of written, to assess ones intra-personal and inter-personal skills. And please be clear: written skills are different than inter and intra-personal ones.
i also know these things which you are explaining in a lengthy document.. i have also given my point of view.. now the person who is taking it as "unbiased opinion" can understand it well.. it also has nothing to do with my marks in viva.. there are also some cases which made me think so.. now its up to you how you are taking it

i have already said that its my opinion .. i am not going to reply you in a lengthy document because i am not going to start a hot debate here.. infact i dont need to..
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