hello dear,

France, bab-ul-islam of europe???!!! I beg to differ.
Islamic forces reached spain first and infact established themselves there,,,you know the famous cordoba and then granada etc....In france, muslims were defeated in the battle of tours....so instead of being bab-ul-islam in europe,,,france actually checked islamic advance in europe....and it was france and battle of tours that keep muslms from spreading in europe and therefore muslims stopped at spain and could not dig deeper into europe...
with regard to sindh,,,,yes are right.


Thanks.

dear-o-dear,

i meant in the modern times not the medieval one. Yes, Spain was the first place that the Muslims conquered in Europe. No doubt about that. But after the defeat of the Ummayyads at the Hands of Fredrick and Isabella in Spain, there were practically no Muslims left there. Remember, all of them were either butchered or forced to emigrate to Africa and other places.

When i said France is Bab-ul-Islam, it was in the present day context. What we see is the exclusion of Islam/Muslims from the Western society after the fall of Spain. And the first instance that we see any substantial number of Muslims playing some role either in the spread of Islam or leading their daily lives, is in France alone. This is what i meant to say. There was a gap of several hundred years before we see any role of Islam in Europe.

Now you would point out Turkey, Bosnia etc etc. But i doubt whether they had any role to play in Europe in Recent history. Vienna was the farthest that the Turks got in Europe and they were expelled from there.

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Not bad Mr.Ummer but still dubbing france as bab-ul-islam is a bit of an exaggeration. however i understand what you mean. Now, from europe lets come back to sindh for a while....Staying with the arab conquest of sindh, let me ask you few quick questions:

1) I read in K.Ali that harsh vardhana had established an empire in the north-west of india and sindh was also part of his empire....and later in the book, sindh also appears as one of the important states in the nothern india on the eve of arab invasion...so my question is....how come sindh was the northern state and in the harsha's empire which was established in north-west....isnt sindh in the south???? Rescue my geography plzzz.

2) on the eve of arab conquest, administratively provinces were further sub-divided into many districts called what??? vaisayas or vishya or vaishya??? rescue my spelling plz

3)what was the name of raja dahir's son who held brahmanabad and later fought junaid....is it jai singh or jai sinha or jaishaba

4) did raja dahir have many wives.......one was rani bai, who committed jauhar....what was the name of another wife of his who got married to MBQ later????

5) who built mansura city,,,hakam OR MBQ?!!!


enough for now i think

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Ummm interesting.....let me try to get them right...

1) I read in K.Ali that harsh vardhana had established an empire in the north-west of india and sindh was also part of his empire....and later in the book, sindh also appears as one of the important states in the nothern india on the eve of arab invasion...so my question is....how come sindh was the northern state and in the harsha's empire which was established in north-west....isnt sindh in the south???? Rescue my geography plzzz.

Brother honestly i never followed K.Ali because i personally find it useless. it just gives facts and figures. the guys checking the papers don't want simple facts and figures. they look for your writing and expression style. K.Ali does not help you with that. anyways lets come to the question. i never studied the geographical aspect of Sind and when and where was it a part of a large kingdom. I WILL try to give a general answer. we witness such a situation later on too. the seat of the Mughals was Agra and they controlled South. i hope you can make up the connection here.


2) on the eve of arab conquest, administratively provinces were further sub-divided into many districts called what??? vaisayas or vishya or vaishya??? rescue my spelling plz

It is Vishya.

3)what was the name of raja dahir's son who held brahmanabad and later fought junaid....is it jai singh or jai sinha or jaishaba

Well V.B Mahajan uses Jai Singh while i have gone through an article pronouncing him as jai sinha as well. i guess that shall not make a difference.

4) did raja dahir have many wives.......one was rani bai, who committed jauhar....what was the name of another wife of his who got married to MBQ later????

It was Rani Ladi. his two daughters were Parmal Devi and Suryadevi.

5) who built mansura city,,,hakam OR MBQ?!!!
i aint sure about the answer to this question. all my history books reveal that there were several cantonments in Sindh (for Arab armies) and the count included Mansura, Mahfuza and Multan.

Well i guess this would solve your purpose!

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I Know I am Bad But When Bad is the Best, Bad is the Only Choice

Unfortunately many of the writers are not in the way of right. This is very clear situation that after the period of Khalafitay Rashida all the conquest are not base on religion. but the rule of every period is that on that areas which are under the control of muslims are mustly affected by religion of islam. A group of muslims always present who give there best services for the preach of islam. so conquest of sindh was just only the need of time not preplane attack

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