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propaganda of western media in the light of following suicide attacks in pakistan

ALL MUSLIMS ARE NOT TERRORISTS BUT ALL TERROISTS ARE MUSLIMS

is it fault of western media
is it fault of our clerigy culture
is it result of musharaf enlightened moderation reaction
is it overweakness that we are being used as scapegoat
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u have raised a good point brother..well,according to my mind its not the fault of western media but it is outcome of our faulty system.we make the system and we are responsible for it.MUSLIMS are not terrorists as according to ISLAM the people who spoil others life for none, they should not be considered as MUSLIMS. Yet its the need of time that we must come to know the rout causes which makes a human being turn into wild beast.this is not the propaganga of western media,we must accept it with courage and face the criticism.weaknesses are inside us then why we blame others.u know whats the biggest problem of our society????? its not poverty,lack of opportunity,murders,rapes,illitracy,unemployment.I TS LACK OF CARE.i dont know why we want to see our brother lower in status,for our supermacy???
i have heard many people blamming Musharaf for everything.we demand our rights but when there is matter of duties we escape......and onething more every terrorist or suicide attacker is not muslim by religion.i came to know by some people(who have been there in afghanistan) that young guys are brought from russian islamic states having no religious faiths.they are medicated according to will and are made breathing robots.they are used for suicide attacks.so its totally wrong that all the suicide attacks are related to muslims.
No doubt some of muslims are also involved,but its also wrong that we blame only govt for this as many people say that the reason is un employment,poverty or dual standard of living but i may add here that sometimes personal benefits are also involved.Being pakistani we must seak our responsibilities and try to fulfil them.
its my viewpoint.you may have different opinion contradicting mine..thanx
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yes, u r right we r being used as a scapegoat.
western media linked every incident,terrorist attack or threat of terrorism to muslims......why??

yesterday in news:

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The law enforcement officials raided a house of Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam (JUI) official in district Zhob of Balochistan and captured three men for alleged links with Taliban, while militant leader Abdullah Mehsud, blew himself up to avoid arrest.

Federal Interior Ministry spokesman Javed Iqbal Cheema Tuesday confirmed Mehsud's death. He was wanted for the kidnapping of two Chinese engineers in 2004, he said.


Abdullah Mehsud killed himself with a hand grenade when law enforcement officials raided house of JUI district secretary Shaikh Ayub in Ganj Mohalla in Zhob.

"Abdullah Mehsud blew himself up with a grenade and died when forces raided his hideout. Three of his accomplices were arrested for suspected links with Taliban," said Atta Mohammed, police chief of Zhob.

``Thanks be to God that our men were safe,'' he said.

The arrested men have been shifted to an unknown place for investigations, officials said.
How many of them are MOST DANGEROUS, MOST IMPORTANT, MOST WANTED and HIGH RISK FOR SECURITY?
America and its allies in the war of state terror are paying nothing compared to the loss of civilians.
Every times they catch someone they project it like a flop actress who wanna tell the producers that she is still on her high heels and she is a MONEY BACK GURANTEE.
Hey look this time my achievement was MOST IMPORTANT..
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Is his death was worth it?
You kill hundred civilians and catch one criminal and beat the drum “He was most DANGEROUS MAN”.
What is this a joke?
Our provinces are angry and want justice. Musharraf is the most criticized person in this country but he is the best man for US.
People want the criminals to die but with a trail, with all the rights a human should have.
Bombing in the night, raiding in the dark, no trail, no numbers even some time nobody claims the responsibility.
Killing thousand civilians and catching one single person who nobody heard before is a joke, a plan joke.
Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan have become hell for every single human being and all they say is civilian casualties are unavoidable.
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@M.Zaman
u have raised a good point brother..well,according to my mind its not the fault of western media but it is outcome of our faulty system.we make the system and we are responsible for it.MUSLIMS are not terrorists as according to ISLAM the people who spoil others life for none, they should not be considered as MUSLIMS. Yet its the need of time that we must come to know the rout causes which makes a human being turn into wild beast.this is not the propaganga of western media,we must accept it with courage and face the criticism.weaknesses are inside us then why we blame others.u know whats the biggest problem of our society????? its not poverty,lack of opportunity,murders,rapes,illitracy,unemployment.I TS LACK OF CARE.i dont know why we want to see our brother lower in status,for our supermacy???
i have heard many people blamming Musharaf for everything.we demand our rights but when there is matter of duties we escape......and onething more every terrorist or suicide attacker is not muslim by religion.i came to know by some people(who have been there in afghanistan) that young guys are brought from russian islamic states having no religious faiths.they are medicated according to will and are made breathing robots.they are used for suicide attacks.so its totally wrong that all the suicide attacks are related to muslims.
No doubt some of muslims are also involved,but its also wrong that we blame only govt for this as many people say that the reason is un employment,poverty or dual standard of living but i may add here that sometimes personal benefits are also involved.Being pakistani we must seak our responsibilities and try to fulfil them.
its my viewpoint.you may have different opinion contradicting mine..thanx
I do not agree what you stated here "its not the fault of western media but it is outcome of our faulty system." You cannot completely deny the fact that western media factor has played a role of depicting false idealogy of islam.Most of the Americans do not even know the meaning of word "islam" .Muslim states since years have been suppressed by western power(Iran,Iraq,Afghanistan ,Palestine,Kashmir ,Kosovo,Bosnia ,Turkey and all the muslims states direct or indirectly being suppressed).Their dominant behavior and bias among muslim states exhibits their NOT SO interest in muslim states.During Soviet Union occupation of Afghanistan , the west funded these so called Extremists and Militants.They are the one who had sown the seeds and breeded extremists.
The question is are these extremists so naive to be influnced?When you will stop funding them and take away the power from them ofcourse they will reac.Neutons Theory of action and reaction can be stated here "To every action ,there is an equal and opposite reaction"So my friend ,we totally agree that our institutions have failed to curb foreign affairs in our country and failed to educate our inhabitants according to our religion "Islam".I will keep myself limited here.

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i dont believe that all the terrorists are muslims,if the international media is depicting the muslims in such a way then it is their ignorance ,as it is rightly said above that they even dont know the meaning of islam.
as far as terrorism is concerned,i believe that non muslim terrorists are equally participating in destabilizing and deteriorating the muslim image , i dont know why non muslims countries are against the muslims for no cause.
are the "raa" agents not terrorist,is there no other terrorist group in this world??

yes!musharraf is responsible for what is going on in pakistan,people are suffering the consequences of his enlightened moderation rather than enjoying its fruits as mussharaf expects.

dissatisfaction,immorality,jealousy,hatred,cruelty ,necessaries/necessities, unemployment,frustration has created restlessness in our society so we cant ignore this fact.

overall every aspect u have mentioned has its contribution,and u cannot a single one.
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I feel that it is the planned propaganda of the western media to malign islam and to give the west a pretext of terrorism to use it as policy tool.They are concerned with the western interests and are waging planned psychological and media war agaisnt their supposed enemies.

Musharaf is playing in their hands to prolong his tenure in power.He introduced the concepts of enlightened moderation and confused all of us.His chamchas never understood the meaning of it and took it as a tool to promote immorality.He is a womaniser himself and is known for his rangeen mazaji.Actually, his is a tenure full of nahoosat for pakistan.
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The statement 'ALL MUSLIMS ARE NOT TERRORISTS BUT ALL TERROISTS ARE MUSLIMS' cannot even not be ascribed to western media. Our own Muslim brethren sometimes show the same ardent behaviour .

Nonetheless, from factors pointed out by M. Zaman, the fault can, to some extent, be attributed to clerigy culture and overweakness that we are being used as scapegoat.

As far as reaction of enlightened moderation of musharaf is concerned, at start his enlightened moderation concept was lauded manifold but now very less people care for it and his attitude can be referred as 'overweakness that we are being used as scapegoat' perhaps he is being used as a scapegoat or he is trying to use the clergy culture as his scapegoat.
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if western media and countries are supressing muslims (muslim countries) then why america has failed in supressing IRAN?????????
if we are being supressed then it means that the problem is with us......????
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i think this is not the propaganda of western media.this is fault of muslims especially pakistan.why our government rely on west?why we r not good muslims?whatever is happening in our country we all r resposible for it.we need unity and this is not in us.
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this is fault of muslims especially pakistan.
fellow certainly this is the fault of Muslim coutnries, however, the Pakistan is not the only to be condemned strongly. The situation is also made bad by a number of other islamic countries say Mid-eastern countries and countries having natural resources of oil/petroleum....
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