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Can we achieve Democracy without Independent Judiciary?
Well Dear fellows if we took a slight insight of the well structured and developed societies around the globe we found the fact that justice in society is the root cause of stability and good gevernance.Churchill’s comment on a query asked by a news reporter during World War II that if our judiciary provides justice to common men we can't loose the war also reflect the importance of justice in society for a true democracy. Even our own religious distinction is to have a faith on justice and to remove the differences. In democracies, independence from political pressures of elected officials and legislatures guarantees the impartiality of judges. Judicial rulings should be impartial, based on the facts of a case, individual merits and legal arguments, and relevant laws, without any restrictions or improper influence by interested parties. These principles ensure equal legal protection for all.
If we look into well developed socities structure, one thing found common is check and balance on each individual on equivalence basis. The second important thing in this regard is then who has to take the responsibility of providing check and balanace and this responsibility is done by Judiciary. In a nutshell we can say judiciary act as an equilibrium force to maintain a balance between executive and the legislative. So dear fellows whats your view about my hypothetic query "Can we achieve Democracy without Independent Judiciary?" |
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Faraz_1984 (Saturday, May 17, 2008) |
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Well its a fact that without independent judiciary ,No Country ,or No NATION CAN survive
it was said by Hazrat Ali "A State of disbelieves may last but not a state of injustice" When there will be independent judiciary ,there will be check and balance on every system People will have trust on judiciary and problems will solve and for democracy,there should be democracy in these political parties. Can Someone imagine to that any decision may be taken by the party without consent of chairman of party. These Chairman of party are dictator in these parties. Look at our history ,our Pre November judiciary was the only one who gave relief to people , Justice iftikhar resolved thousands of pending cases and people started feeling relief because of that judiciary. So our corupt politicians are avoiding their restoration as their restoration is not in favor of Musharaf ,aMERIA AND these feudal lords.
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Faraz_1984 (Saturday, May 17, 2008) |
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who is more important Judges or.........
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i want to know this about the person whom we talking they have taken the oath under the PCO once so we hope they will do justice good now Question is this more important humari bechari ghareeb 16 corers Awam or 60 judges i start from my place check any news paper after every 2nd day average 2 or 3 police man killed in Quetta City worth of 6000 or hardly 8000 no one take action against it no leader give a single statement but on judges news paper is full of who is more important humari bechari ghareeb 16 corers Awam or 60 judges ata price 360 Rs/ 20 KG in black who is more important humari bechari ghareeb 16 corers Awam or 60 judges light load shedding 12 to 14 hours main city of Quetta i dont know about others who is more important humari bechari ghareeb 16 corers Awam or 60 judges in india seven bomb blast Pakistan India said who is more important humari bechari ghareeb 16 corers Awam or 60 judges in LOC line of control firing happen they say Pakistan has done who is more important humari bechari ghareeb 16 corers Awam or 60 judges at BAjor and agency places of Pakistan missile has been set 14 people killed who is more important humari bechari ghareeb 16 corers Awam or 60 judges gallop surrey say paksiatni purchasing power has been decrease 47 % who is more important humari bechari ghareeb 16 corers Awam or 60 judges petrol prices we can not afford 70rs/liter sooner it will be 80 to 90 Rs /liter who is more important humari bechari ghareeb 16 corers Awam or 60 judges according to survey every 3rd paksiatni adhA (half) meal kam kar diya hia who is more important humari bechari ghareeb 16 corers Awam or 60 judges now my dear brother's and sister's i guess still judges is more important what role they have play in 60 years oh 60 years hum that why we are the top of this world surely still judges is more important one single wall case has taken my father 13 years to get solve and in the end when we won supreme court case start now i guess that will be finish when my child will be equal to my age sorry judges are more important we salute them jin ka lliya 16 corers awam khawar ha before i finish what is Democracy and what role parliament that why all the core Decision has been taken by Mr zardari, Mr Nawaz , Mr Altaf who are not part of parliament so this is called democracy please do suggest me where i am wrong i will be thank full to you |
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Dear fahad
i appreciate ur efforts i will take ur words to reply ur mail Ur words" check any news paper after every 2nd day average 2 or 3 police man killed in Quetta City worth of 6000 or hardly 8000 no one take action against it no leader give a single statement but on judges news paper is full of who is more important humari bechari ghareeb 16 corers Awam or 60 judges" ( Now tell me Who is responsible for this security situation in Northen Areas President Musharaf or 60 judges) ata price 360 Rs/ 20 KG in black Who is responsible 60 Judges or Musharaf Previous regime that also import Wheat to our LADLA neighbour Afghanistan. light load shedding 12 to 14 hours main city of Quetta i dont know about others Who is responsble 60 Judges or Musharaf Government who did not even try to produce a single watt of electricity during last 8 years in LOC line of control firing happen they inida Pakistan has done Who is responsible ,60judges or Musharaf regime, kon hai jis nay Kshmir ka soda kia ,kon hai jis nay pakistan ke ghairat ,jurrat ko khatam kia aur india made Dams on pakistan waters and made paksitan desert. at BAjor and agency places of Pakistan missile has been set 14 people killed tell me who is responsible for this who made paksitan American colony who made pakistan Burning and bleeding. I ask you two Question 1) Why 60 jUdges were removed ,arrested,tortured? Had they involved in corruption Had they involved in Atmoic proliferation Had they ordered for Lal Masjid operation Had they involved in stock exchanhe scandel hAD they involved in corruption Had they suspendedn consititution Wht was their fault that they stood before a dictator they favor their super ego( Zameer) they were involved in suspending privitization of Steel Mill they brought the homepates of people who were disappeared by agencies from foot path to court they were involved in investigation of Lal Masjid operation they were involved in taking sou moto actions of thousands of families that could never afford to go to Supreme Court 2) Tell me if these did not take stand on above issues ,could Musharaf imagine to impose emergency or remove them why they are in prison why the 8 years child of iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry could not see the corridor of his house for 4 months what was fault of that Child he was in prison ,infact youngest prisoner of history Read about Some developed generation Believe me if a constable take principled stance and authority suspend him ,believe me whole Nation is on the road in favor of that person and WE pEOPLE WHAT we do Believe me Judges restoarion is not a problem to prevent Judges from restoarion is concern Government is involved to prevent them if we see ,mUSHARAF TOOK Illegal action on November 3 So these both houses have two 3rd Majority ,they can suspend that illegal action by any way What a country? Ilegal actions can be taken by dictator and validated in two days and this elected Government cant do a legal work If these Judges will not restored with honor Believe me No one will take stand before any wrong thing We have to prove that are alive NATION aND SEE the people they love these judges they hate AMmericans they hate Musharaf this elected Government should care of people wishes if there were No 7th March , Musharaf would never doff his uniform BB would never be in paksitan Mian NAwaz Sahrref would never be in Paksitan PML(Q) would be majority winner with the help of angels votes So if this issue is put aside ,Nothing will solve ,i make u sure and also jusges restoartion is not a problem But these people are using delaying tactics to prevent them from restoarion their full energy is on preventing from restoration But inshallah they will be restored
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Dear Zaman
don't be get that much Hypo my name is Faraz not Fahad Dear Zaman
now did i said Mushraf was Hero no not at all i said who is more worth our people or judges dear dear being very much honest if you think being middle class you will not take single percent interest in judges Issue because my Dear brother Zaman i must say with shame in 2008 when we talk about global village we are in Que (line) main waiting for ata for God sake i am not favoring here our Beloved President due to that the issue of Firqa Parsti in Balochistan Punjabi Baloch Pathan has taken serious Issue My point was not that we need !st judges i said who is more worth our poor La char awam or these 60 judges about them i am quite assure they even do not know ata price load shedding etc mera bahi i also want to solve this issue but dont you looking all the topi Darma which is going on now a day i hope you have Seen we say democracy i am not good student of political science but at least i have idea parliament that who take all the decision inside the parliament but what we have seen DUbai Zardari NAwam London Nawaz Asif they are not part of parliament but they are taking decision dear dear why these judges has taken the oath under PCO why Imran Khan today who says Musraf Etc why he has vote to him WHy MMA was B party of Mushraf Why PPP is not taking serious action on it Why WHy wHy Why why just read today America Statement they said pak force was not cooperative with us thats why we taken action on it we cant do any thing of it Dear Dear mera ghar main Ata nahi or main ja kar Road par judges ka Struggle Karoo now yours turn My Zaman or Yes Call me Faraz |
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Asslamualaikum,
Without Independent judiciary it is impossible for us to have the real democracy, not the one which is practiced now a-days. I must add that my brothers are having confrontation regarding the deposed judges. What do you think that Why Nawaz won the election? ( I mean his party). He was given the mandate just because of his statement regarding the restoration of deposed judges. Democracy is a kind of Govt, which is made by the people, and which is for the people. So the same people wanted the restoration of the deposed 60 judges that's why they casted their votes to Nawaz. I must say that Without independent judiciary it is similar to cry for the moon to have the real democracy. Regards.
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Dear Faraz
Sorry for writing your wrong name Actually on that day , i have to move to Airport in two hours and also had to complete some pending issues.now i am back after three days. Any way i appreciate your ideas But you look frustrated( May be some personal experiance of standing in que) i know Ata Crises ,Power crises,inflation ,and many issues that our country is facing today But Dear brother, i am agreed that we put Judges issue on Side ,then Will these crises be solved??? No Never,these crises could not be solved in 60 years ,how can be tackled now. Reason is obvious our Government is never sincere to solve these issues,they just fight for vested interests. they make their own factories,they travles on the expense of Government.they make falso promises.they deceive common Man But reality is that ,they are never sincere to our ISSUES, wHAT a pity? Country is in the worst crises and our prime minister(Yousuf Raza) is busy in dinner with president with Music at background. they know that they No one can ask them Yes Right ,Tope Drama is being played by PPP And we must strongly condemn it our Judiciary should be independent,our media should be active ,these two institutions can play a vital role in making country developed. There is Lal Masjid Operation ,and we are busy in Nam Nehad development There is Missile attacks on Bajur and we are busy in purchasing Ata there is suspension of constitution and we are Busy is electricty crises There is suspension of judiciary and we are busy in Gas load sheeding there is detention of Qadeer Khan and we are busy in our activities Dear Faraz we are being crushed and we will be till we awake God Forbid if tomnorrow these agencies disaapear you and me ,and our fellows will be busy in Aata purchasing if tomorrow these attacks our homes, then our neighbour will be busy in their lives No No we have to take our rights, and for this we have to become aware for our rights elase Nothing will be changed
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Dear Zaman
I said earlier here in any forum I am not against about judges issue I really want them on their seats where they used to and I really appreciate to chief justice Afitkhar for the decision of steel Mill why it is taking so much time we have been facing so many problem in this present era really we have become psychological patient we are patient of stress
believe me every day I belong to Quetta ( so do afitkhar) every 2nd day average two to three police constable has been killed No action has taken Average 4 to 5 bike stolen No action taken 1 car almost stolen No action Price is high I do agree Food international Crisis I do agree Energy Shortage I agree Etc problem I agree But why not peace Peace Peace This is related with Wheat, petrol, energy issue etc I guess it not Might be I am sensitive that’s why I think like on these Issue I dam care about judges now we totally depend on judges why this ………….. parliament is there Why these minister I read 200 Arab Rupees has been spent on this current election all the participate who were in action I have read in evening news paper might be wrong what I have read I share I wish our county will be like UK Or Saudia Arbia Or even like India We worse of India in present Scenario I guess I feel a lot pain of poor because My one friend has utility store here in Quetta where mostly when I get free I seat with him He told me one person came for Ata but that was out of his budget he was weeping once you said Afitkhar young said kept in 4 to months in Jail dear I have seen every day so many people who are washing card doing loading and so many other work etc I wish I pray these leader thinks for People why they are for us Allah give them Hadiyat Ameen |
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DEAR faraz
Everything is clear and crystal now We have same thinking that we want to see our country developed and prosperious. Dear this is horrible picture of Quetta City i dont think all these things are published in Media Peace is far away But we must see its root causes Why people are so against the Government that they kill Police MeN I CAN UNDERSTAND THE MISERABLE CONDITION OF POOR PEOPLE. i have read that in karachi People set some dacoos on fire this is formidable picture of our society that how people are frsutrated ,how they vent their emotions and feelings This Country is bleeding and burning and our prime minister is in America and announcing with pride that we will continue our war on terrosim during last Eight Years ,country has reached at the brink of disaster these people cant change any thing these people have no pain,they even cant feel the pain of poor people May Allaha Bless this country i want to talk to u on fone Can you ? thanks and Regards
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Faraz_1984 (Wednesday, May 21, 2008) |
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Yeah Zaman
Dear Zaman Really i do agree you know why i feel pain
which give me mentally dissatisfaction i do not feel when i go some area which these accident has been happening *( Sariyab ,barewry Road etc) really i swear i do not feel secure to their in out own mother land we do not have surety of life and this situation has been through out Pakistan no body has secure even u i guess u are doing job PIA or like that might be i am wrong do you think we are secure any time any where Suicide Bomb i dont want Ata ,bijli Gas but safety of life now might be you think why i am so scare from death i know mout (death) bar haq but dear i am not fear of death nor afraid i know there is day when i will die or every Muslim has dead creed on it but you ever think the person die what happen after that with his Family Wife brothers sisters Mother Father Child( children) and other people who are dependent on them mean these people who are involve in this criminal poor accident they only not killed on man they killed their family every one who depend on them in reward of that death we won 2 lack which we get in installment by our Govt which take so many years this is joke with the feeling of those poor forget Bushra who suicide in front of train bumper prize 2 lack whom our prime minister i just want to know the budget of his Son marriage only only meal budget i am dead sure more than 2 lack Ah! what to say i dont know these are feeling emotion which we express here May Allah take care of All Pakistani in this current Era Ameen Ameen Ameen Last edited by Last Island; Wednesday, May 21, 2008 at 02:15 PM. Reason: Exchange ur contact numbers via emails. |
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