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a new perspective of Pakistan idealogy
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Many of us has red and listened much about it. Mostly we are indoctrinated with orthodox doctrine of Pakistan ideology. Intellectuals like Mulana Abaul ala Mododi, Dr Israr Ahmed and all rightist proclaimed an conservative orthodox interpretation of of it. Leftist asserted the economic cause in this sense, But i wanna share a quote from the Quaid-e-Azam speech of 11 August 1947. It holds water because it was addressed before the first costituent assebly of Pakistan.Referring to Jinnah: "Now I think we should keep that in front of us as our ideal and you will find that in course of time Hindus would cease to be Hindus and Muslims would cease to be Muslims, not in the religious sense, because that is the personal faith of each individual, but in the political sense as citizens of the State. what are your views regarding it. Regards. |
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I share the same view. What dominated the entire struggle of ML was to secure for muslims their Political and Economic rights. It was the issue of separate electorate and weightage for the muslims that consumed the substantial effort of Mr Jinnah who was a chaste Secular Nationalist (communalist for Hindus) in his own right. Religion was used as a lever to abstract rights for the muslims as much as possible.
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@Chosen One
You mean that Quaid e Azam decieved muslims by using religion as lever? |
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Some might say yes but, it was merely to mobilize people during the last stages of British Raj. Quaid believed in Constitutional means for achieving independence unlike Ghandhi who believed in mass politics and public agitation. But Quaid's approach changed towards the end of 30s when he started populist politics which brought him great dividend in elections of 45-46. But he still stuck to his secular ideals as he approved the Cabinet mission plan for undivided India.
Its my personal opinion and you have every right to disagree. |
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@Chosen_One
If it was so then
why Jinnah & Iqbal were struggling for independent state, Economic exploitation can be stopped even in federal United India? Quaid has already put forth this solution in his Fourteen Points. secondly What were the premises for the economic and political system of newly born state, Because we find a greater tendency in the both leaders toward Socialism and Social Democracy, But even then they supported the Democracy and sovereignty of all people, instead of Proletariat government? If economic causes were of capitalist interest , then Jinnah was disloyal to History and Humanity both, Because it is accepted on all hands that the capitalist western system is welfare of few and exploitation of others. Were Jinnah and Iqbal merely want to change our exploiters not the exploitation??? Thirdly, Jinnah by himself sharply criticized on capitalist system, He regarded it as the root cause of development of Fascism and Nazism in Europe. Fourthly, if they didn't want both of these doctrines then what would be their vision regarding Pakistan?
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You are right when you say Jinnah wanted Federal India with maximum political and financial autonomy for constituent units and what else could be the reason for his acceptance of Cabinet Mission Plan? But i wonder what made you say that Jinnah and Iqbal had socialist tendencies? Jinnah was a staunch Nationalist while Iqbal's nationalism (Millat) transcends all political boundaries.
The real problem with history of Independence Movement is that we try to find heroes and villains in History. There are either diehard supporters of jinnah or his worst enimies, killing the very purpose of understanding history. |
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very productive discussion indeed.
such ambiguities are one f the causes of pakistan's current crisis. why n what they did(our national leaders) is hard to understand specially at resent when out of the two devided state one is persistently in crisis while the other is rapidly prospering! Pakistan struggle was not a movement initiatd n pursud by individuals.not only Muslims,any community,i believe,that was suffering at the hands of arrogance f proud majority would have demanded freedom had they possesed leaders of such credibility n ability as ours plus in such great number as muslims were. after clarifying the cause f the struggle i must say we have to re focus n understand the real purpose f our state.when they ever decieved ppl?Quaid openly n clearly said that "Pakistan would not be a theocracy".
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I am also confused on this issue. If Quaid e Azam was of secular mind then why he proceeded to make Pakistan on the basis of "Two Nations Theory". Is it only to protect muslims political and economic rights?
Or the basic cause was "to create a land for muslims, where they could live their lives according to Islamic principles". Please clarify. |
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your first opinion caries weight. In the begining of this thread you have pointed out some religious figures, having different ideological stance, actually their ideology is pan-Islamism. Just think, these were the words of Quaid, "Relgion has nothing to do with the business of state, you are free to go to temple, you are free to go mosque, and you are free to go to any other place of worship in this country..." after the demise of Quaid, the ideological stance of our country had changed. just think about the objective resolution of 1949 and heated debates over its different clauses till the enactment of first constitution in 1956.
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Dear a well known fact is that Iqbal was against the western democracy. As an alternative to it he put foreword the concept of social democracy. "A political theory advocating the use of democratic means to achieve a gradual transition from capitalism to socialism." In his letter written to M.A Jinnah (28th May 1937)
He connected this concept of Karl Marx with the fundamental Islamic principles. Exact phrase is as: If such a thing is impossible in India the only other alternative is a civil war which as a matter of fact has been going on for some time in the shape of Hindu Muslim riots. I fear that in certain parts of the country, e.g. N.W. India, Palestine may be repeated..Also the insertion of Jawarhar Lal's socialism into the body-politic of Hinduism is likely to cause much bloodshed among the Hindus themselves. The issue between social democracy and Brahmanism is not dissimilar to the one between Brahmanism and Buddhism. Whether the fate of socialism will be the same as the fate of Buddhism in India I cannot say. But it is clear to my mind that if Hinduism accepts social democracy it must necessarily cease to be Hinduism. For Islam the acceptance of social democracy in some suitable form and consistent with the legal principels of Islam is not a revolution but a return to the original punty of Islam. The modern problems therefore are far more easy to solve for the Musllms than for the Hindus. But as I have said above in order to make it possible for Muslim India to solve the problems it is necessary to redistribute the country and to proved one or more Muslim states with absolute majorities. Don't you think that the time for such a demand has already arrived? Perhaps this is the best reply you can give to the atheistic socialism of Jawahar Lal Nehru. That is why i asserted the evidence of socialist tendency in the writings of Iqbal. Its just 1 example the poetry of Iqbal has plenty of proses on the apprehension of socialism. Jinnah has also used this term socialist for an alternative of Capitalism. Quoting him; The entire belt of the middle east will developed into a solid cohesive third block. Neither capitalist, nor communistic but Socialistic (Quaid e Azam as seen by his contemporaries :Jammal uddin Aali)(Quotes from Quaid Published by Oxford university Press; pp 80) These are some logical and undeniable evidences of socialist tendencies in the both great leaders. But as i have searched on this issue i have found an intrusting fact. Both leaders were not compelled for the creation of Pakistan due to economic, political or so called religious causes but for the renascence of Islam in the world. I am giving a brief sketch of their vision regarding it.Purposes behind this motive were Social: Reconstruction of Modern Islamic thoughts not the Revival of Orthodox Islam. Modern Reformation of Muslim Culture Creation of the ideal man Political: Spiritual Democracy instead of Western democracy. Sovereignty of people only. Islamic Renascence originated from the Pakistan and then spread into whole Muslim world. Pluralism instead of monistism Economic Economic equality of Muslims. Class less society. State owned economy. Regards
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