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After securing success in mid-term elections Mr. Nawaz Sharif has adorned himself has the next Prime Minister. He is again intoxicated by power he gained likewise in second term he used to refer his 2/3 majority. He can’t match with PPPP leadership in sense of political insight and patience. PPPP leadership is far more groomed and mature politicians than him.

Mian Sahib wants personal desires to be fulfilled through 18th amendment; the most important is third term for PM. Moreover, he does not want to give this credit to PPPP government. Similarly, he became disputed among the Pakhtuns all over the country – they say when PML-N even cannot give us name then how provincial autonomy.
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After securing success in mid-term elections Mr. Nawaz Sharif has adorned himself has the next Prime Minister. He is again intoxicated by power he gained likewise in second term he used to refer his 2/3 majority. He can’t match with PPPP leadership in sense of political insight and patience. PPPP leadership is far more groomed and mature politicians than him.

Mian Sahib wants personal desires to be fulfilled through 18th amendment; the most important is third term for PM. Moreover, he does not want to give this credit to PPPP government. Similarly, he became disputed among the Pakhtuns all over the country – they say when PML-N even cannot give us name then how provincial autonomy.
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First, I don't think that political foresight in PPP is more than PML N. See the situation of Judicial crises, Judicial appointments, NRO, it was only PPP leadership spreading the mess however PM Gillani has been the only man (with political vision) clearing the mess spread of PPP leadership. FIA cases interference, corruption allegations, supporting the corruption as their right (Watch A Qayum Jatoi interview), Saying promises are not Quran and Ahadith.

On the other hand, PML N leadership has done blunders as well. But I don't think they are so much cluelss about the things as PPP leadership. Rarely PML N did something wrong in its policy. It has always been very tough on corruption and cancled memberships of many. This is very positive thing we all should note.

The current tussle on 18th amendment is no doubt, PML N is playing with bad ideas. However we should not miss one of Nawaz's point that Babar Awan having alleged in 300 million corruption and in NRO as well, should not be member of judicial commission. He is very right saying that. However he should have the point in mind that Babar Awan would not be Law minister forever. The commission with 7 members looks very nice in a democratic setup. I have elaborated this point in my previous posts as well. The point is Nawaz sharif should struggle for resignation of Babar Awan rather than talking about the Law Minister POSITION.

The second point of Nawaz is renaming NWFP. NWFP have two majority ethinc groups - Pashtoons and Hindko. If Pakhtoonkha name is granted to NWFP the people who speak "Hindko" would feel unaccomodated. And this is right. PML N in this context is right to talk about the people of NWFP after all this is for what political parties are. The names in the pipeline are "Pakhtoonkha Abbasin", Pakhtoonkha Khyber" and "Afghania". This problem could easily be solved if PML N and ANP show a bit "Pakistanism". I do not understand what is the problem in naming as "Paktoonkha Abbasin", Paktoonkha Khyber and even Afghania is good name and proposed by Ch Rehmat Ali.

So both parties involved (PPP, PMLN, ANP) should show Pakistanism and should not dely the matters without major issues. INFACT THEY ALL PLAYING THIER GAME.
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First, I don't think that political foresight in PPP is more than PML N. See the situation of Judicial crises, Judicial appointments, NRO, it was only PPP leadership spreading the mess however PM Gillani has been the only man (with political vision) clearing the mess spread of PPP leadership. FIA cases interference, corruption allegations, supporting the corruption as their right (Watch A Qayum Jatoi interview), Saying promises are not Quran and Ahadith.

On the other hand, PML N leadership has done blunders as well. But I don't think they are so much cluelss about the things as PPP leadership. Rarely PML N did something wrong in its policy. It has always been very tough on corruption and cancled memberships of many. This is very positive thing we all should note.

The current tussle on 18th amendment is no doubt, PML N is playing with bad ideas. However we should not miss one of Nawaz's point that Babar Awan having alleged in 300 million corruption and in NRO as well, should not be member of judicial commission. He is very right saying that. However he should have the point in mind that Babar Awan would not be Law minister forever. The commission with 7 members looks very nice in a democratic setup. I have elaborated this point in my previous posts as well. The point is Nawaz sharif should struggle for resignation of Babar Awan rather than talking about the Law Minister POSITION.

The second point of Nawaz is renaming NWFP. NWFP have two majority ethinc groups - Pashtoons and Hindko. If Pakhtoonkha name is granted to NWFP the people who speak "Hindko" would feel unaccomodated. And this is right. PML N in this context is right to talk about the people of NWFP after all this is for what political parties are. The names in the pipeline are "Pakhtoonkha Abbasin", Pakhtoonkha Khyber" and "Afghania". This problem could easily be solved if PML N and ANP show a bit "Pakistanism". I do not understand what is the problem in naming as "Paktoonkha Abbasin", Paktoonkha Khyber and even Afghania is good name and proposed by Ch Rehmat Ali.

So both parties involved (PPP, PMLN, ANP) should show Pakistanism and should not dely the matters without major issues. INFACT THEY ALL PLAYING THIER GAME.

PML-N revolves around the personality of Mian Brothers. Makhdoon Javed Hashmi – who stand with people of the country and bore unmentionable ordeal, has been sidelined to curb his growing popularity among the people.

Mian Sahiban could not tolerate the unpleasant atmosphere of prison and left the country on the mercy of circumstances and through a deal flew to Jeddah. Where his life was no less than a King. In contrast, PPP leadership always remained with the people of the country and spent their precious years in prisons.

Real leaders always remain with their masses and don’t leave them on critical situation. They prefer death over deals like Z.A.Bhutto did. Similarly, President Asif Ali Zardari refused deal offers on several occasions. Stories of PPPP leadership is full of patience and ordeals – they overcame these by their visionary policies.

NFC Award – 2009 is the biggest achievement of PPPP government. PPPP has roots throughout Pakistan whereas PML-N involves regional politics which is confined to only one province. Why they distributed tickets among corrupt and ineligible candidates? Removing MNA’s on some charges are some moves to uplift the popularity and fame of party.

PML-N has objection on person and for that they don’t tolerate to include a office for the selection process of Judges. Babar Awan is not a life time minister, he can be replaced at any moment then why they formulate policies keeping in view the current set up and personalities. Babar Awan is a person whereas Minister of Law is an institution, if a person is bad then why to make an institution weak?

There are two major ethnic groups in Balochistan i.e. Baloch and Pakhtun then why the name of the province is not Balochistan Afghania. There are Muhajirs in Sindh why they are deprived of their identity? Sind is name of river by its is a nation like Baloch and Pakhun, similarly, Punjab means five rivers but Punjabis are one nation.

Majority of the people want the name changed and N.W.F.P assembly passed a resolution in 1997 in favour changing the name. If PML-N believes in democracy, and they want to protect the rights of the people of Hazara division – a referendum can be proposed within the N.W.F.P. PML-N murmurs on just changing the name of province, which is their right, then how can they give provincial autonomy?
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You are absolutely right. Not only NFC but also Aghaz e Haqooq e Balochistan, Gilgit Baltistan Self Governance, Employees's benefits, Women rights - ordinances and job quotas and other various things show political vistory of the PPP. I did not mean that PPP is not a good party.

I only wanted to point out the current leadership of PPP. My points are the same as above. Corruption allegations, Swiss courts, German Commission, Mr. 10 % - all these are embarassing things. I don't mean that they are convicted but it is not fair that they leave the positions which can affect the descion of courts and present themselves in fornt of courts?

I am not in favour of Mian Bradran as well. They done wrongs with the country as well. They also looted the wealth.

But the point is, the political vision shown by PML N , I think, is much more than PPP leadership (I have mentioned the areas above). I also said that Mr Nawaz's stance on Judicial comission is not in favour of state. If he want then what he should do is only demand of Babar's resignation. I said about NWFP that renaming should be done according to the wishes of NWFP people and this is obvious that only saying Pakhtoonkha would only represent Pakhtoons. While others would feel unaccomodated. So I think name should be that which not only accepted to political parties but also the residents of that province.

the sad thing in all this scenario is that political parties are playing political games. OTherwise I dont see any problem in "Pakhtoonkha - Abbasin", "Pakhtoonkha - Khyber" and "Afghania". PMLN don't accept first two names while ANP don't accept last name. I again would say both parties should present Pakistanism rather seeking political benifits.
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I said about NWFP that renaming should be done according to the wishes of NWFP people and this is obvious that only saying Pakhtoonkha would only represent Pakhtoons. While others would feel unaccomodated. So I think name should be that which not only accepted to political parties but also the residents of that province.
If this is the case then they must do something for the comfort of Pakhtoons in Balochistan, Saraikis in Punjab and Muhajirs in Sindh. The principles of democracy lies in majority and if talking about majority then Pakhtoonkhwa is the most suitable name for NWFP.
All that Mian sahib has to do is to wait till the next round and Government will fall in his lap like a ripe plum, still being affected by the myopia he is creating hinderance in a democratic process. He ought to keep in mind that vote banks can't be strengthen by giving the people share in name of a province. If he is smart enough then his line of action must be alleviating poverty, joining hands with the Government to overcome the crisis that the country is going through. Playing the dirty games wouldn't earn him a good name.
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If this is the case then they must do something for the comfort of Pakhtoons in Balochistan, Saraikis in Punjab and Muhajirs in Sindh. The principles of democracy lies in majority and if talking about majority then Pakhtoonkhwa is the most suitable name for NWFP.
All that Mian sahib has to do is to wait till the next round and Government will fall in his lap like a ripe plum, still being affected by the myopia he is creating hinderance in a democratic process. He ought to keep in mind that vote banks can't be strengthen by giving the people share in name of a province. If he is smart enough then his line of action must be alleviating poverty, joining hands with the Government to overcome the crisis that the country is going through. Playing the dirty games wouldn't earn him a good name.
Totally agreed. But I persume democracy is with people. I am neither Pakhtoon not Hindko but I think if reservations of some common people in NWFP over renaming are not not adjusted it might not be very good for federation.

PUnjab and Sindh case is different as there is no issue of renaming. And for your information there are not less then 40 % hindko people in NWFP.
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This is what the army wants that both parties should be unpopular then they will get the chance to take over. The army will only get chance to take over when both the big parties have become unpopular, so it looks like they have become pretty successful in this mission. First, they targeted Asif Zardari and after achieving it, the next target has become Nawaz Sharif. Lets hope our politicians don't fight each other for long otherwise the consequences of this fight will be worse than our imaginations.
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