dear respected sir! which point in her reply u regard a realistic one? does her this statement """Building connections from primary n secondary data is a much more hazardous task than first hand research which is vital but insufficient.""" plz u r requested to throw light on this statement that wht actually she meant..?


@ Abdullah Nayyar!

proud of u sir, v really need u like people in our beuracracy...

@ Most wanted

Aphrodite is trying to tell the importance of first hand information but saying that secondry data is also needed to understand a social phenomenon fully. I hope she will further eloberate her point if i am wrong.

@ Burhan

I fully agree with the last para of your post regarding the neglect of family and children by the tablighees and i am eye-witness to this as i narrated my observation on this point in an earlier post. It has ruined many families and many are in the line.

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What I have analyzed out of whole debate is that we all are involuntarily divided into two schools of thoughts here after a long debate. people of one school of thought are trying their best to prove other wrong (not all, but majority). Thats our national dilemma. We find no way in between and fall apart from each other!
No doubt one school of thought may be right and other wrong, but the point is we are gaining nothing out of it!

I personally believe that Islam is a complete code of living a perfect life. I have Quran and the character of PROPHET (PBUH) in front of me laying open without any complexity or ambiguity. I have a peaceful ibadat called as NAMAZ to connect to Allah SWT, and ZAKAT to help HIS people, ROZA to gain TAQWA, and HAJJ to submit myself to HIS SOLENESS once & forever! Why do i need to fight over whether i should go to an ijtimah or not??? However, processions with genuine reasons are always needed everywhere in the world. Like people do commemorate their great leaders, we also do. we have EID-MELAD-UN-NABI, SHAB-E-MERAJ,SHAB-E-BARAT,ASHOORA, Taraweeh and what not??? Chill out guys

Read it Completely to get answer.
http://www.correctislamicfaith.com/TableeghiJamaat.pdf

All the members participating in the discussion are requested to maintain the decorum.

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This is the last time I am bearing this kind of language on board. In future, permanent ban will be imposed on such members without any warning.

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nw although this does nt directly answers my question but very clearly points out the direction of the answer..nd in the absence of a reasonable answer from the ones in favour of tableeghi jamaat even the comments made by ophradite regarding funds would carry weight

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@mjkhan
Basically, every individual who join Jamat is to bear his own expense. Duty of this jamat is "Amar bil ma'aruf wa nahi anil munkir" which is duty of every Muslim.

@All the critics of Tablighi Jamat.

People who join jamat are to learn for their moral and religious betterment and to pass on what learnt. This is also the duty of every Muslim. When someone joins jamat, he gives his time, money, physical and mental effort in rectifying himself and cause of Islam, like the Prophet SAW did and asked us to do. If the negative comments were from anti-Islamic forces, it was understandable but I cannot imagine Muslims criticizing them. Only skeptics are those who don't care for religious obligations and others betterment and then who ever try to do so...start criticizing them.
We can't deny the orders of Allah SWT to spread good and stop evil. Even if we are not implementing, should we criticize those who are trying to implement? Or call them wrong?
The only objective of Tablighi Jamat is self improvement and propagation of Islam. The Jamat cannot in any way be called wrong. This is a sensitive issue, relating to religion, so should not be touched. Or if touched, should be dealt in a very careful manner. So far i couldn't see any healthy criticism against the Jamat. All the points made were baseless. If we question a Muslim, Tablighi Jamat or no Tablighi Jamat, no Muslim with a bit of love to religion should say "NO". Because if we weight the goods and the bads done by Jamat, goods win. And all the bads called against it has no proof so far. So, we got the answer. Plus, propagation of Islam is duty of every Muslim, so if someone is trying to do so shouldn’t be criticized.

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DEAR, why do we hate criticism? just because it gives us a chance to mend our ways or tweak existing state of affairs?
YOU are criticising those who pin-pointed grey-areas in the "THE WAY" TABLEEGI JAMAAT OPERATE, not necessarily "TABLEEGI JAMAAT itself".
IF you dont allow loopholes to be identified first and subsequently plugged, then how can we hope to improve the way we conduct our affairs.
I can understand your point when you say that some of the grey-areas mentioned in the discussion san logic, but how can you conclude that it was all rubbish.There must have been some valid points too.
TRUE, that the only objective of TABLEEGI jammat is to bring in self-reform. None of us disagreeS.BUT the way they go about it may not be convincing to most of the critics.
this is sensitive issue. i agree. n i also know that as along as we maintain decorum of discusion, there is nothing wrong in discussing the issue.YOU SAID YOU SO FAR HAS NOT SEEN ANY HEALTHY CRITICISM ON THE ISSUE.FINE. THEN THE WAY YOU ARE CRITICISING ALL THE CRITICS IS NOT HEALTHHY TOO.

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well provided the scale at which they operate nd keeping in view some other factors this is nt possible...i dnt knw whether u r aware of there large scale activities or nt but if u r then u would nt hve said that...

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