Dear those who migrate to a "kaafir" country to seek economic opportunities have already compromised on a basic provision of eeman, and that is "Allah pe bharosa ke rizk kaa waada Allah ne kiya hua hai". If they were so good practicing muslims, then who compelled them to migrate to and dwell in a western country where western norms are practiced and abided. And who are we to feel pain for others when we ourselves are hurt and moaning in pain. If we feel so much pain about them, then there is a need to make our own places as good so that no muslim needs to emigrate to a western or any other country, and if we can't do it then there is no need to harbour those gloomy feelings

It is a duty only of our state to raise concerns over this issue with the French government, and if it wont do it then we have a duty to remain patient and trust Allah.

Let me tell you sir that to travel to another country to earn the living is by no means against the basic provisions of eman as said by you. If you have any info about it then please enlighten us.

Regards,

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There is a difference in the meaning of words "travelling" and "emigrating" and "settling".... I think "travelers" wont even be concerned with any such laws, ziada hua to toba toba kar ke ghar aa jayen ge . And I never said it is againt the provisions of eeman, I said they compromised on the provision of eeman.

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I think they "travel" to get settled there aren't they? Ok I accept that you said they compromise on the provisions of eeman. Now please explain that specific "provision" which prohibits a muslim from going to another country to earn living. And also not all go there to avail economic opportunities, some are students while some are natives.

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hmmmm, tough question indeed, . can't answer that one, but I have a question of my own. do you know any provision which tells "settle in the land of kuffar, earn living and protest against their laws" . If you say they are discriminatory towards muslims, then why did you move in there when Allah had already warned you about their nature??

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some of pakistanis via this thread serve the ambition of french ambassador.and even some manually passed law regarding provisions of settling outside country.west culture now became mouth piece of youth.This is shocking,have de-linked their islamic affaliations.

neither travelling provision is on compromise risk nor Sahaba(karam rizan uLLAH E ajmeen) were entitled of ye,when settled In subcontinent,africa and central Asia.that was before the islamic invasion.

Logically it is rationalised as burqa did not adhere to their national agenda.Answer required from hoat debaters that
what is nation-state ideology?
What is democracy?
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so if one acknowledged the two paradoxial ideologies.the dilema of veil would be resolved.nation satae on one side tuned for ethincity and democracy is panist golbalisation.so why nation sate ideology and democracy introduced?
Think? ? ? ?
Now one can find trend of regionalisation.
U know via SAARAC,ASEAN
and
in EU---All of you knew.
So let not adhere it to whims of (nation)their ideology.as for muslim countries they want revolutionary democracy and in their arena nation state ideology.All of you people have immense knowlege but you did not find eye opener.
For further debate and logic i am here.
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Now this is not fair, counter questioning without answering mine question. Obviously you will not find an Ayah or Hadith for each and every comment but still I want to quote the translation of an ayah from Surah Nisa. "And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?- Men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will protect; and raise for us from thee one who will help!"
Does not raising voice against this law which prohibits our Muslim brothers and sisters fom performing religious duties come under this context? According to you a muslim should not move to an unislamic country and if move should stop practicing islam. This is not fair at all.

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Dear you are taking it to an extreme thought. Islam or practicing Islam has not been banned anywhere, and neither are muslims being oppressed or slaughtered en-masse in any non-muslim country, particularly western countries. If you move to a country which is predominantly composed of non-muslims, you need to be adaptive to their society and follow any rules they make. The French have banned veiling for their own reasons, and we people can do nothing about it, therefore we must accept it. After all the French have every right to make any laws for their country as they deem suitable. My point is, if you cannot accept their laws because they are unislamic, you either leave their country and don't go live there or you conquer France and liberate muslims there .

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So Veil was not advised before Islam? Now, it's funny you made such a statement and no one contradicted it. I won't say much because If I do then I will be once again blamed for being personal, I'd rather request you to go for a comparative study of religions and you'll realize how wrong your statement is. Ever thought, why are the nuns dressed similarly to muslim women (In context of burka) ?

Also please explain what do you mean by "we were unable to distinguish" ? Are you trying to say that they were looking for kufar women to do whatever they want to do with them and let the muslim women go?


Which "Head" are you referring to? Please also mention the source where the head says that france will change into Islamic republic?

sorry but completely irrelevant.


What is the difference b/w point 2 and 4? Also, what has child abuse got to do with this? How is it related to depression?

Don't make any sense to me, but ok, if you say so.



With all due respect, You not being a french national and/or a french citizen reserve NO right to record a protest. However, you can only criticize the decision. If france thinks it's in their national interest, you and I are no one to say otherwise; They, will surely protect their national interest and/or whatever interest and they reserve complete right to do so. If muslims living in france are offended with this and cannot live anymore they can migrate; If Prophet Mohammad PBUH can migrate, why can't they? Are they more important personalities than the prophet? We can't have our laws and rules in places ruled and/or owned by others.

Don't you know what happened in Bosnia? Don't you know what is happening in US, UK and in most of the western countries? How are they treating us? If yes, then how can you say that muslims are not being oppressed. Anyways, if you are happy with the move of French authorities then chill around and leave us on our "haal". Discussion is over from mine side.


Cheers and best regards,

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