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Well said by sabbar.
In nutshell, we can say the the necessity is the mother of invention. In civilized societies the have proper law and justice system, hence, no need of "Police Muqabala"

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You are forcing me to be a supporter of Talibans. haha Anyway, they might have some good qualities like instant justice not sure about others. Your post is not clear regarding "confiscated of property by murderer" ? Plz clear it.
As for verification, they must have a system to decide about the fate of a hardened criminal after getting all proofs and a "yes" from higher authorities. It is not free for all or personal descion of an officer. One thing which i know by experience is that they never spare a criminal who murders a fellow policeman. Death becomes the fate of such criminal even he remain in hiding for years.
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The gameface has replied you well. We are living in a semi-literate/semi-tribal society where not LAW but MIGHT is right. You said proper investigation is needed in such cases, do you think they were killed with without proper investigation, verfication and identification ? And you also said that Islam not allow such punishment. I beg to differ with you here and seriously doubt about your knowledge of Islam. The instant justice is according to the real spirit of Islam and justice delayed is justice denied. You know why a section of our society side with Taliban ? Because they make it sure that justice is done instantly. And they proved it in Afghanistan and Swat.

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your these lines shows as you are supporting taliban..suppose akram who was killed in police encounter and accused of murder that is proved.akram before police encounter had confiscated property of an orphan.now akram confiscated property will become inheritance.then who will give justice to that orpahn?????.so justice is delayed.if akram had convicted many more alike that crimes.then you will say 'Well done' Because orphan justice has been denied
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Well, we should learn good things from whatever source we can find them.

If we can learn latest computer technology from Americans, why not we can learn the methods of providing instant justice to victims of crime from talibans ?
And as for your quarry regarding the property of the orphan child, i would say that an orphan is protected by a guardian and it is the duty of that guardian to look after the interests of the orphan. If anything goes against the interests of the orphan, the guardian should take action through the courts or jirga or whatever forum available in their area. The property can be returned to the orphan through the legal action.
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Well, we should learn good things from whatever source we can find them.

If we can learn latest computer technology from Americans, why not we can learn the methods of providing instant justice to victims of crime from talibans ?
And as for your quarry regarding the property of the orphan child, i would say that an orphan is protected by a guardian and it is the duty of that guardian to look after the interests of the orphan. If anything goes against the interests of the orphan, the guardian should take action through the courts or jirga or whatever forum available in their area. The property can be returned to the orphan through the legal action.
if murderer already have killed the guardian and child is helpless /guardian can used 1/3 part of the proprty of orphan.the court works on heavy income paid in form of bribes.if guardian has no such amount.suppose procedure take 3 lacs and guardian have 2 lacs then justice is delayed.
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Here we need the help of a lawyer.
(the type of lawyer who can give "mufat Mashwara")
Any one ? :unsure
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The person who has judgmental eye like you ,remarked "well done".This action will initiate series of alike that.The innocents will have to suffer more then sinners.Islam restricts that type of punishments because these actions are without investigations. On the other hand ,there are other forms of punishment ;deiat and qasas. Secondly,one man show seems to be mysterious activity .there would be secrets behind this case. What do you think about two chechans which were killed without investigation..shed your light
Bibi! If police is chasing those who 've been charged with 302 or 396 and such offenses for which punishment is death penalty or life imprisonment then they can be killed by police officer if they retaliate. Police officer has the right to kill him.
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Bibi! If police is chasing those who 've been charged with 302 or 396 and such offenses for which punishment is death penalty or life imprisonment then they can be killed by police officer if they retaliate. Police officer has the right to kill him.
yes u are right..it is fitting that the final answer comes from a police officer...and I myself think 'Police Muqabla' is one of the best things invented after the 'wheel' to punish those criminals who escape through the loopholes in law..
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Thanks again to Lahore Police as 2 more criminals were sent to hell yesterday who had abducted a young man, received ransom from his parents and murdered him in cold blood in Baghban pura area.
Well-done and keep it up bravo. We want to see more "Police Muqablas" as our corrupt justice system had failed to nab and punish these animals who were killing our fellow citizens for the sake of money.
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AoA,

Am also an adrent believer of the thing that justice should be done to the convicts/terrorists right at the moment, but only after having ample proofs and justifications that he wont be able to be trialed by court or he could be a nuisance for me/my fellows. But letting loose the LEA's mean you are giving them blank cheque to kill their personal enemies as well....

I dont know much, but highheadedness at the part of police is equally a bad thing. Our judicial system is weak and justice gets late but police is also a party of this thing, because they dont give proper evidence. This is the reason that most of the terrorists escape instead of convication under ATA Anti Terrorist Act.

Am not a lawyer to comment on Section 302 or 396, but if a person is suspect for murder under 302 or robbery/dacoitry, thn the police should get warrant and having 164 with testimony of accomplices, that police could kill the suspect. Otherwise a suspect is a suspect, he can be convicted or acquitted by the court of law. Where police get good money, their i.o make such a superb case with proper evidences that the suspect is nabbed and if i.o is good in manipulating with the accused party, he make away with the evidences and law and suspect wander in the streets. Most of the time, this thing happens in our police system... Anyways, indiscriminate things may lead to destruction of the societal system....
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Sir, there are criminals who have committed dozens of murders and every time they are set free by courts because of "lack of evidence" and you know why lack of evidence ? They kill the person who dare to provide evidence in court against them and so next time no evidence is available to Police to produce against them in court. How do you propose to deal with these criminals ?
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