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I think that ISI is a pure military organization and its control can not be given to civilian administration.
Wrong dear, ISI aint no pure military organization, it is an independent organization which both civilian and armed forces' personnel can join but it is largely controlled and dominated by the military. Pure military intelligence organization is Military Intelligence (usually called MI) .
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ISI (Inter Services Intelligence) is an army organization. They only hire civilian for their intelligence (surveillance) operations. MI only look after the intelligence operations within the armed forces. ISI is made for all intelligence requirements and it is a pure army administrated organization.
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ISI (Inter Services Intelligence) is an army organization. They only hire civilian for their intelligence (surveillance) operations. MI only look after the intelligence operations within the armed forces. ISI is made for all intelligence requirements and it is a pure army administrated organization.
Still, presence of civilian officers among its ranks shows that it is not a 100% pure military organization . ISI is organized into 7 (or 8) divisions, and not all of them are pure military ones. Anyways you are rite to the extent that it is mostly populated by military personnel of some specialized units and they run the show for ISI , but originally it was not meant to be a pure military organization, rather an overall intelligence apparatus like the CIA.
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ISI is not a military organization..it is a military organization such as the Utility stores,marriage halls etc..the have army personnel in their ranks. most of them ..but this is not compulsory..ISI was just hacked my military..
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ISI is not a military organization..it is a military organization such as the Utility stores,marriage halls etc..the have army personnel in their ranks. most of them ..but this is not compulsory..ISI was just hacked my military..
An efficient intel org that is ideologically motivated needs a lot of discipline. This is maximum when the people running it are also disciplined. This is why Mossad, with the highest rate of success is a military affiliated organization- not civilian.
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Still, presence of civilian officers among its ranks shows that it is not a 100% pure military organization . ISI is organized into 7 (or 8) divisions, and not all of them are pure military ones. Anyways you are rite to the extent that it is mostly populated by military personnel of some specialized units and they run the show for ISI , but originally it was not meant to be a pure military organization, rather an overall intelligence apparatus like the CIA.
Kashif yar....Army and IntelligenceDo u think therez any affinity in these two termsdoesnt it seem a paradox to u
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An efficient intel org that is ideologically motivated needs a lot of discipline. This is maximum when the people running it are also disciplined. This is why Mossad, with the highest rate of success is a military affiliated organization- not civilian.
Dear are you aware of the conscription laws in Israel, means every male citizen of age 18 years must serve a term in regular military service. Un ko zaroorat kiya hai civilians kee . Lahore se bhi aadhi aabadi waala to mulk hai .
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Dear are you aware of the conscription laws in Israel, means every male citizen of age 18 years must serve a term in regular military service. Un ko zaroorat kiya hai civilians kee . Lahore se bhi aadhi aabadi waala to mulk hai .
Yes am aware. But Mossad, for the most part takes active military personnel to run it in addition to the fact that its put under Ministry of Defense or its equivalent. Here, the main panga is to place ISI under Ministry of Interior and not defense. And given their 'democratic' structure, it should have been the first country to place huge civilians in it.
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Yes am aware. But Mossad, for the most part takes active military personnel to run it in addition to the fact that its put under Ministry of Defense or its equivalent. Here, the main panga is to place ISI under Ministry of Interior and not defense. And given their 'democratic' structure, it should have been the first country to place huge civilians in it.
We have a Defence ministry??
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Where is our Ministry of defence?It's not only ISI,it's the psyche of military elite that they consider themselves superior.Ministry of defence is there just to do "Yes" to army.
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