Originally Posted by aphrodite

Talks oodles about the power of elected reps, isn’t it? Bhutto was also an elected rep but he had the acumen to control the military and guide it. In hulko ka kaam nahi hai jor ke rakhna sab ko.



Had it really been so bad, trust me, you wouldn’t be able to sleep tight at night. India is ready to attack you any day (Orions destroyed, was supposed to decrease territorial waters surveillance by 50%- had it not been for 2 SECRET NON-COMMISSIONED ORIONS STASHED AWAY BY OUR NAVY-and we had bought total of 7 from US) and something is deterring it on the fronts. Today we have a nuclear deterrence, but back in 1965 India would have swallowed you away had it not been for our defense forces. When speaking like that you’re only being thankless. Ask a Lebanese or an Iraqi what its like having ‘No defence’. No country will cut you a slack had it not been for our defence. And if you want to challenge that notion, try traveling to India even on a visa. That’ll give you a flavor of being ‘defenceless’.



Jazib, Defence ministry does have all defence related institutions under it, our nuclear program, as well as other related orgs like PIA and SUPARCO. But the army is its own master. I agree with your idea that the army would also end up same way if left to these good-for-nothing leaders. Few days ago I met my mother’s friend, a female 21 grade income tax commissioner from Lahore. She was distressed and claimed that “this government is the worse we have seen so far. It has asked us to do the kind of illegal stuff that we’d never imagined.” I asked her, “Do you think the military govts fair better in this regard?” And she replied with, “Hands down, they may ask us to go overboard but even that is within the sphere of principles”. The defense forces are the only thing keeping this country together today, and the West has attacked this very institution, rot its image in front of the masses to beguile them.



Aap itni der se army or ISI ke khilaaf bolte jaarahe ho. Abhi tak agents darwaaze pe puhnche nahi kya? And we are mistaken if we think this forum isn’t checked by them. Aajkal to har band uth ke pata nahi kya kya bol raha hai. Kisi ko uthaya kya? Intelligence agencies sometimes have to do stuff that is deemed unethical, or unfair. Unko koi shauq nahi hota yeh harkatein karne ka. Apne ghar ke andar who bhi ache izzatdaar log hote hain. But looking from here, we don’t know all the situations they face. Outwardly, Ojhri Camp destruction seemed violent and merciless. But they didn’t have a choice but to set it on fire, because only they know what its repercussions would have been. What we didn’t see happening, is a blessing, bcuz we aren’t burdened with it.

Originally Posted by m.furqan08

Agar sirf politicians zimmadar ha to foriegn policy ka failure kis ka hissay ma aaey ga.Forign policy to army bana rahi the or bana rahi ha.Kya ya forigen policy ka failure nahi ka Aaj dunya ma koi hamara dost nahi.Saray neighbours aap sa naraz ha.

Originally Posted by aphrodite

Talks oodles about the power of elected reps, isn’t it? Bhutto was also an elected rep but he had the acumen to control the military and guide it. In hulko ka kaam nahi hai jor ke rakhna sab ko.



Had it really been so bad, trust me, you wouldn’t be able to sleep tight at night. India is ready to attack you any day (Orions destroyed, was supposed to decrease territorial waters surveillance by 50%- had it not been for 2 SECRET NON-COMMISSIONED ORIONS STASHED AWAY BY OUR NAVY-and we had bought total of 7 from US) and something is deterring it on the fronts. Today we have a nuclear deterrence, but back in 1965 India would have swallowed you away had it not been for our defense forces. When speaking like that you’re only being thankless. Ask a Lebanese or an Iraqi what its like having ‘No defence’. No country will cut you a slack had it not been for our defence. And if you want to challenge that notion, try traveling to India even on a visa. That’ll give you a flavor of being ‘defenceless’.



Jazib, Defence ministry does have all defence related institutions under it, our nuclear program, as well as other related orgs like PIA and SUPARCO. But the army is its own master. I agree with your idea that the army would also end up same way if left to these good-for-nothing leaders. Few days ago I met my mother’s friend, a female 21 grade income tax commissioner from Lahore. She was distressed and claimed that “this government is the worse we have seen so far. It has asked us to do the kind of illegal stuff that we’d never imagined.” I asked her, “Do you think the military govts fair better in this regard?” And she replied with, “Hands down, they may ask us to go overboard but even that is within the sphere of principles”. The defense forces are the only thing keeping this country together today, and the West has attacked this very institution, rot its image in front of the masses to beguile them.



Aap itni der se army or ISI ke khilaaf bolte jaarahe ho. Abhi tak agents darwaaze pe puhnche nahi kya? And we are mistaken if we think this forum isn’t checked by them. Aajkal to har band uth ke pata nahi kya kya bol raha hai. Kisi ko uthaya kya? Intelligence agencies sometimes have to do stuff that is deemed unethical, or unfair. Unko koi shauq nahi hota yeh harkatein karne ka. Apne ghar ke andar who bhi ache izzatdaar log hote hain. But looking from here, we don’t know all the situations they face. Outwardly, Ojhri Camp destruction seemed violent and merciless. But they didn’t have a choice but to set it on fire, because only they know what its repercussions would have been. What we didn’t see happening, is a blessing, bcuz we aren’t burdened with it.

Originally Posted by khanbaba512

Then Wy Our agencies are keeping HAQANNI NETWORK in the Cantt area..and why we have no-go areas in Karachi,FATA etc..Why Osama was kept near the PMA??ISI ka kaam kya srf Majors ki WIves ko black tainted gariiyun mein pherna rah gya ha ya kuch aur b ha..?Agr un ki concentration Osama ya Terrorists per hoti tu phr shayd hum sb criticize na kr rhe hotay..AFghanistan ko Provice banane k chakar mein Pakistan b jaye ga hat se..

Originally Posted by mhmmdkashif

buhut ho gayi army army, aik general aata hai aur islamists or ethnic groups ko armed aur organized kar ke poore mulk se "recruits" haasil karne ke liye radicalism phela jaata hai, kehta hai mere aziz ham watno yehi hamari manzil hai, phir doosra aake kehta hai nahin mere aziz ham watno, hum bare enlightened aur moderate log hain, aise mat bano.. hum kiya murghiyan hain jo daana yeh daalen us ko chugte jaayen, pange khud lete hain aur phir phansate sab ko hain, itna shoq hai power kaa to poore mulk ko foj main bharti kar do

Originally Posted by hamza_salick86

Leave it yar.Hum pe ghadaar e watan hone ka ilzam lg chuka hey waise bhi.Although we have clarified TIME and AGAIN that its not the army as a whole we are talking about..We just talk about the corrupt officers..We demand accountability and is there anything bad in it?Anything unconstitutional or Unislamic?Jab Hazrat Umar Farooq(RA) paish hosakte hain qazi ki adalat me tw Y cant be the corrupt elements in military be held responsible for their misdoings???Try negating this demand takey then I can safely assume that kon kon ISI k payroll pe he yahan..