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Members are requested to watch the lecture of Dr Zakir Naik on Islam And Terrorism. All your querries will be answered.
Yar i dont regard Dr. Zakir Naik much, and if You have laernt something from it, share it here please, i want it to listen from you. thanks.
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is anybody here in knowledge of international definition of terrorism?

what is the UNO version of it?

(the answer to the above questions is a "no")


who will define terrorism?

unofficially international definition of terrorism is "anything against american and western(to some extent) interests is terrorism."

why the the concept of terrorism is kept deliberately vague?

when international laws in libya are violated that is helping the helpless.when iraq is invaded in the name of WMD it is justified and when america intervenes in the affairs of arab countries and the rest of the world that is her right.

but when people fight for freedom in kashmir it is terrorism.when people fight in palestine that is terrorism.we are obssessed by west and its thinking.

yes muslims are becoming prey of commiting some hideous acts but,for it, i will blame the seed not the tree.

what america is doing is very much in line with customs of the super powers and history.so nothing to be surprised of because every dog has its day.
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Its a catchy little sentence but not true in my opinion.
Muslim terrorists are just more famous than other ones, you know with all the media attention and high profile attacks etc.
Most terrorists are not necessarily Muslims but the most of the famous terrorists are Muslims (in fact all of them I think)
Just a matter of media attention and some propaganda too......
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dear sorry for late reply but u know some ppl don't like healthy and meaningful discussion and try to poke their nose. Anyhow, let's come to the point. ur point is valid dear that how they have been able to manipulate the Muslim rulers. as i said before that we Muslims also have some shortcomings and we need to rectify our mistakes. As an individual we have some duties which we need to realize. First of all, we should not wait for any Ibn-e-qasim to come and save us. We have to save ourselves and need to struggle for our rights. We can break the chains of slavery by getting educated and excel in the field of science and technology. we can use the same technology and power of media against our enemies. if all of us realize our individual duties no one can rule and then we would be able to choose good rulers for ourselves.
No one need to wait for Ibn e Qasim or other ghazi of Islam. Untill we dont leave believing and accepting YAHOODI agenda, we won't be able to understand what's going on. Because we've kept aside our so -called intellectuality and far sightedness and we trust blindly a lot on those books written by unbiased European writers(actually spellbinding of their writings) more then the VERSE of ALLAH that Yahood and Ansaar will never be your friends.
So wait for the Awaiting Mehdi(ra), everyone will find the truth.
Moreover for definition we should consult Intelectual writers of West because we've lost our thinking being in the world of fantasy.
A terrorist, however to me is one who reacts against the force by which he's being forced to wall.

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A terrorist for me is one who dies at the merciful hands of the Jews and the Yankees.
Yes! We (Muslims) are the biggest terrorists on earth.
Why they hate us (II): How many Muslims has the U.S. killed in the past 30 years? By Stephen M. Walt. If the America wants to improve its image in the Islamic world it should stop killing Muslims. How many Muslims has the United States killed in the
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It is a fact that unfortunately most of the terrorists are by religion Muslim but the question is that who is the far most affected of those terrorists? And the answer is "Muslims".
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It is a fact that unfortunately most of the terrorists are by religion Muslim but the question is that who is the far most affected of those terrorists? And the answer is "Muslims".
No! It's the standard bearers of the world's peace,the monkeys and the Jews. Even Taliban were not terrorists, whatever they were doing was their internal affair. The attack on Afghanistan(The war on terror) was total aggression, an absolute act of terrorism. The real terrorists for me are Americans plus Indo-Israelites and TTP for that matter. And those who believe that TTP are a stray branch of the Afghan Taliban, they need to disabuse themselves of this false notion. TTP are miscreants, run by Indo-Israelo-US agencies.

Insofar as this tag/label,terrorists we carry is concerned, Trust me it's unjustified,unwarranted and a result of the black propaganda against Islam.
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It is a fact that unfortunately most of the terrorists are by religion Muslim but the question is that who is the far most affected of those terrorists? And the answer is "Muslims".
It is not Islam that encourage militancy rather these are distorted inferences of injunctions of Islam by low literate bigots coupled with vested interest that leads the Muslims to resort to militancy and terrorism. If we say that terrorism is just a propaganda , it would be nothing but turning blind eye to a reality.We Muslims in general and Pakistanis in particular are the biggest victim of militancy. So no one els than us needs to spell out the its root causes.

Even if we believe in conspiracy theories that USA-Isreal nexus is perpetrating terrorism in Pakistan, but those who are directly involved in commitinng such horrible acts and their mentors are not others but Muslims. Fault lies with in us and we have to accept it. State of denial leads to complacency that will prove only disastrous , in given circumstances.
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How come are some of the people saying that Muslims are terrorist? Do you people know a definition of terrorism? Yes? I'm afraid these Nazis wield liberty to define terrorism per their free will. I've cited a web article(post#38) written by one of the Westerners which asserts that it's Americans who are intent on razing Muslim civilization to the ground.

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Even if we believe in conspiracy theories that USA-Isreal nexus is perpetrating terrorism in Pakistan, but those who are directly involved in commitinng such horrible acts and their mentors are not others but Muslims. Fault lies with in us and we have to accept it. State of denial leads to complacency that will prove only disastrous , in given circumstances.
They are the ones who have sold their Eeman, and conscience, nickle and dime at the hands of those Nazis.

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Even if we believe in conspiracy theories that USA-Isreal nexus is perpetrating terrorism in Pakistan, but those who are directly involved in commitinng such horrible acts and their mentors are not others but Muslims. Fault lies with in us and we have to accept it. State of denial leads to complacency that will prove only disastrous , in given circumstances.
Good post.

Unfortunately, this 'state of denial' and accrediting everything to underground agencies is as much a part of our collective national psyche now as the Two-Nation theory.

Someone quoted Noam Chomsky in this thread. Chomsky also said that the only way to end terrorism is be stopping to engage in it. As long as our security-establishment nexus believes that it can use militants to counter/pressurize India and Afghanistan, we will have this terrorism. The day they change their thinking, terrorism in Pakistan will go down to the negligible level that it was at before the mid-1970s.
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