should we believe in the spiritual dimensions of our state?

[ali emraan]

salaams!

there are a few states in today,s cyber vintage who follow the spiritual prophecies .and establish their foreign ,military strategies on grounds of their spiritual objectives.e.g,ISRAEL. THE FAITH ON MASSAYAH,PREPARATION OF ARMAGADDON at state level.

there are a few predictions pertaining to pakistan too;

1]GHAZWA E HIND
2]ANNEXATION OF DELHI AGAIN
3]FINAL TRIUMPH OF MUSLIMS

------should we prepare our state policy(military,foreign,interior) on the bases of these hadiths and predictions.

-------------------------my querry is upto what extent we should folow these spiritual dimensions in our state policy...OR should we skip and cartoonify these dimensions as usually?

[ali emraan]

the derision from the spiritual dimensions resulted in the westage of time in obsolete negotiation with india which brought no fruits. instead ,we lost three rivers,siachen,east pakistan.tashqant declaration hammered our stance on kashmir dispute.

[MaShWaNeE]

Question
What is your ruling on the hadith in Nisai Shareef about Ghazwa tul Hind. Are the hadith authentic & also whether this Ghazwa has already taken place in the past or will take place in the future. It would be appreciated if the answer is descriptive and explanatory.

Answer
…This Hadeeth in which the conquest of India is mentioned was reported by An-Nassaa’i, Ahmad, Al-Bayhaqi and others from Thawbaan may Allaah be pleased with him and Shaykh Al-Albaani may Allaah have mercy upon him classified it as Saheeh in “Saheeh Al-Jaami’”.
Besides, Ibn Katheer may Allaah have mercy upon him said in his book “An-Nihaayah Fil-Fitan Wal Malaahim”: “Indeed, the Muslims conquered India in 44 (A.H) during the reign of Mu’aawiyah Ibn Abi Sufyaan may Allaah be pleased with him and some incidents took place and we mentioned them in detail. Also, the great king As-Sa’eed Al-Mahmoud Ibn Subiktikeen, the ruler of Ghaznah and its surroundings conquered it in about 400 (A.H) and he did there some renowned acts and good matters and he broke the great idol called “Somnath” and took its garlands and swords and returned to his country victorious and safe.”
4. The Hadith of attack on India is Sahih but it has already been fulfilled. Hadith was referring to the attack on India by Muhammad Bin Qasim which has already happened. So no divine planning of forcefully capturing Indian again!

[Last Island]

Originally Posted by MaShWaNeE

4. The Hadith of attack on India is Sahih but it has already been fulfilled. Hadith was referring to the attack on India by Muhammad Bin Qasim which has already happened. So no divine planning of forcefully capturing Indian again!

Wrong. It has not happened yet.

• Reported by Hazrat Anasra that The Holy Prophet (SAW) said that a group will fight in India. They will be with The Mahdi whose name will be Ahmad ( Bukhari has narrated it in his history).

• Holy Prophet (SAW) has said that there will be two parties in my People whom Allah has saved from fire one of them will fight in India and the other party will be with Isa bin Maryam (as) Musnad Ahmad bin Humbal vol 5 Page 78 and Nasai Vol 2 Page 52 Bab Ghazwatul Hind)

• The Holy Prophet (SAW) has said that People will rise from the east who would inform about the place of Mahdi who would be their leader that is to say that they will support him and will assist him in his task”

• Abu Hurayrah (RA) said, "The Messenger of Allah (sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam) promised us the conquest of India. If I was to come across that I will spend my soul and wealth. If I am killed then I am among the best of martyrs. And if I return then I am Abu Hurayrah (RA) the freed." (Nasai & also mentioned in Ahmed & Hakim.).

حدثني ‏ ‏محمد بن إسمعيل بن إبراهيم ‏ ‏قال حدثنا ‏ ‏يزيد ‏ ‏قال أنبأنا ‏ ‏هشيم ‏ ‏قال حدثنا ‏ ‏سيار أبو الحكم ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏جبر بن عبيدة ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏أبي هريرة ‏ ‏قال
‏وعدنا رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏غزوة ‏ ‏الهند ‏ ‏فإن أدركتها أنفق فيها نفسي ومالي وإن قتلت كنت أفضل الشهداء وإن رجعت فأنا ‏ ‏أبو هريرة ‏ ‏المحرر ‏

• Thawban (RA) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam) said, "Two groups of my Ummah Allah has protected from the Hellfire: a group that will conquer India and a group that will be with 'Eessa son of Maryam (AS)" (Nasai & also mentioned in Ahmed &

أخبرني ‏ ‏محمد بن عبد الله بن عبد الرحيم ‏ ‏قال حدثنا ‏ ‏أسد بن موسى ‏ ‏قال حدثنا ‏ ‏بقية ‏ ‏قال حدثني ‏ ‏أبو بكر الزبيدي ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏أخيه ‏ ‏محمد بن الوليد ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏لقمان بن عامر ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏عبد الأعلى بن عدي البهراني ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏ثوبان مولى رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏قال ‏
‏قال رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏عصابتان ‏ ‏من أمتي ‏ ‏أحرزهما ‏ ‏الله من النار ‏ ‏عصابة ‏ ‏تغزو ‏ ‏الهند ‏ ‏وعصابة ‏ ‏تكون مع ‏ ‏عيسى ابن مريم ‏ ‏عليهما السلام ‏

Sunan Nisai, Hadith no. 3124
Chapter: Jihad
Sub-heading: Ghazwatul-Hind

[Faseeh Muhammad]

In my opinion at the movement there is no need to make this hadith a ground to change our foreign policy or our relations internationally.

By the way, the same hadith has been used as a "Basic Refrence" for the activities of Jahadi Movenments including Lashkar-E-Tayyabah, Talibans & some other, i just read few days ago in Dawn/Express Tribune Article. So making a hadith change entire look of our country doesnot seem to me a right move right now.

We need to realign our international relations in terms of Economic Benefit because today wars cannot be won with arms and amonations only, we need a strong economy as well.

This action of ours will make us stand in the same line of Jihadiz that have been denounced by majoirty of Muslim and also rest of the world.

[Shooting Star]

How many false prophets have come till now after Hazart Muhammad(SAW)?

[Last Island]

Originally Posted by Shootingstar

How many false prophets have come till now after Hazart Muhammad(SAW)?

False Prophets

[MaShWaNeE]

@ Last Island

You said that my statement is wrong without providing any proof that it has yet to come or yet to happen.
The ahadith you mentioned says about an incident (a fight in Hind) but never says when it will be.
I think you didnt read my post correctly.
I have quoted Imam Hafiz Imadudin Ibne Kathir. And what i have qutoed of him was from his commentary on the Ahadith you quoted above.
Excuse my harsh words if any.
Regards

[Last Island]

Originally Posted by MaShWaNeE

@ Last Island

You said that my statement is wrong without providing any proof that it has yet to come or yet to happen.
The ahadith you mentioned says about an incident (a fight in Hind) but never says when it will be.

Stated already

Reported by Hazrat Anasra that The Holy Prophet (SAW) said that a group will fight in India. They will be with The Mahdi whose name will be Ahmad ( Bukhari has narrated it in his history).

[rabia butt]

i do have the same question that how can we claim that it has to be happened? may be hadaith pointed to mohammd bin qasim arrival?