If ,the recently revealed terrorist ,would be allowed to spread harassment openly then consequences will be devastating.

I did not mean to mark on you as "advocator of any one" but to let u know what was factual enough.


Best Regards,

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Originally Posted by Farrah Zafar چوتھی بات قرآن کو بیچ میں کیوں لائے ؟ یہ نئ روایت شروع کرنے لگے ہیں ؟ یہ سیاسی لوگ تو ہوتے ہی عام طور پر جھوٹے ہیں لیکن اس مقدس کتاب کا تقدس تو نہ خراب کرتے ۔ سیاسی ہتھکنڈوں کے لیے مذہب کا استعمال قابل مذمت ہے ۔ اور ایک بات اور ہے،اگر کل کلاں کو وہ اﷲ میاں کو پیارے ہوں جائیں تو ہمارے مذہی اجارہ دار پریس کانفرسیں کر کر کے کہیں گے ًویکھیا جھوٹا قرآن چکیا سی ً

I agree with sister, and really this is a dangerous course he adopted, by taking oath on Holy Quran.
Dear Fellows, many of u would say that he took the oath just to prove himself truthful, but this objective can be achieved by giving the attested copies of all the relevant sensitive material to media.
Did u see even after his press conference, and after taking oath, at the end, journalist demanded to show the proof of his accusations, that mean they also (sadly) give more weightage to the documents ,e,g, JIT reports etc.
So Mirza Sb, can do same thing without bringing Holy Quran in this.

I am not against Taking Oath on Holy Quran, but in this style, by such class of people, this is not fair and admirable.

Also, think for a second, if tomarrow, MQM and its terrorists also make a press conference with Holy Quran in their Hands, then what?????
This is why, this practice should be discouraged, specially by the class of politicians we have...

Because many if not all, have already sold their souls and faith to satan, and those who have sold their faith might not afraid even taking false oath on the Greatest Book on Earth!!!

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Originally Posted by sialkotian But there is a weak link within him i.e. his blind loyalty towards Zardari when actually everyone knows that Zardari is even much more corrupt than Rehman Malik.

Good, point Sialkotian, What ever he said about MQM, it seems that it is true, but calling Zardari a friend and forever a friend is a thing which makes Mr. Mirza untrustworthy.

I appreciate his courage, but no body should expect from his today's press conference that he has repented over all his past and sins. He certainly tell the truth about MQM, but he has not given up and repented over his past, as he still proudly associate himself with Zardari.

So his press conference should be taken to the anti MQM and killers extent only, and in that too he cover and shielded gangs of Liyari.
Liyari gangs may be less violent and killed less people than MQM, but still there is criminal element, which must also be rooted out.

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Originally Posted by Shootingstar I do not have doubts about Quran(NazobiLLAH)but i do have reservations about the person using it?

Nicely put Br!

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Originally Posted by Waqar Abro Yahi kya tha Zaid Hamid nay kya howa awaam main lougo ny ye taaasur phela deya eska vested interest hay.

Dear Waqar, Zaid Zaman is irrelevant here, But as u discussed so just to keep the record straight, dear, his case is different.....

Actually our youth has a short memory, main objection to that person, zaid zaman hamid, is not his talks right now... as he is quite a master in taking people in his spell of words.....

but the main objection is that in 1998 or so, he (zaid zaman hamid), went to a lier, named yusaf, who claimed himself to be a Prophet, (Nauzubillah), and this zaiad zaman, became his "caliph or sahabi"......

This is the main point of objection, and when few students went to him and asked him to go to Ulema and repent, and re accept Islam as a Deen, he just not agreed.
So May Allay Protect us All and our Faith more importantly. Ameen.

This Paragraph is just for clarity and keeping the records straight, hope moderators wont mind.

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Originally Posted by sialkotian I totally disagree with you. If we can't believe a person having Quran in his hand then believe me we have no reason to believe a single person of humanity. I disagree with you and claim it to be a product of your polarized mentality.

میں نے کب اختلاف کیا کہ وہ جھوٹ بول رہے تھے ؟ ذرا میری پوسٹ غور سے پڑھیں ۔شکریہ

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ویسے ایک عجیب بات ہے کہ کسی کی مرضی کے خلاف بات کرو یا اختلاف کرو تو پتا نہیں لوگوں کی طبیعت کیوں

کہا جاتا ہے اور کبھی کچھ اور ی Smart خراب ہونے لگ جاتی ہے

۔ابھی یقیناً کچھ دیر تک ذاتی حملے بھی شروع ہو جائیں گے۔ معاف کیجیے گا لیکن یہ مباحثے کا تھریڈ ہے اور مجھے اپنی رائے کے اظہار کا پورا حق ہے

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Quitters never win and Winners never quit..!!!

Farah for the v first time m gonna disagree with u. Tm nay bilkol misinterpret kia hay Mirza Sahb ko.

1- ur first allegation k unhon nay bachoon ki trha pahly sharat ki r phir wo shikayat kr rhay hain ....is ka jawab ya hay k unhon nay apni duty nibhai...he is a part of this system , wo ak dam say khary ho k revolt nai kr sktay tay...un ki duty sb say pahly ya sb kuch un loogon ko batana thi jo k concerned hain National security k issues say like President, Interior Minister, COAS, ISI Chief etc and he did his duty. he told all of them personally that what is happening ..he told the truth but when he saw that none of them is paying a heed to this issue then he dared to disclose this truth before masses. suppose tm aik teacher ho aik college main , tum dekhti ho k peon gals ko cigarette la k deta hay for instance , tum obviously dean k pas jao gi k ya bat hay thek hay...ab agar wo naii manti r koi action nai letin then it is ur right k tum is cheez ko highlight kro r sb ko btao coz it is ur duty k agar tum dekho k jis college main tum parha rahi ho wahan jo kuch ho rha hay wo gals k mafad main nai tou pahly tm legal treeqa ikhtyar kro r agar us say kam nai bnta tou phir tm dosri options select kro.

2- such wali bat....kbi kbi such ko maslehat k tehat thora dhaky chupy lafzoon main bi bolna par jata hay ...Rehman Malik ko kis nay appoint kia?? Zardari nay, wo kis ka ladla hay ..Zardari ka. Ab rehman malik bura tou direct ishara kis ki traf ho rha hay zardari ki traf...Mirza sahb nay bray tareeqy say zardari ko drag kai but tm loog smaj nai pay

3- hasb nasb wali bat...hmmmmm mery abo ki aik fav line hay " kami kami hond hay bhawain jinna marzi raj jawy ...tay zimidar da khoon kadi na kadi apna asar zaroor wikhanda hay " . trust me main zat pat r in cheezon pay yaqeen nai krti..main individuality pay yaqeen rkhti r humanity pay ...r humanity main cast, creed , religion ki qoi qaid nai hoti ...is sb k bawjood main is cheez ko manti hoon k khandan kahin na kahin apna asar zaroor dikhata hay ... ya jo zimidar r feduals hoty hain in main aik cheez hoti hay Ghairat ..js pay ya compromise nai krty . main ya nai kah rai k jo is class say belong nai krta wo ghairat mand nai but is class ki aik quality hay ghairt mandi ...ya youn kah loon k jb fikr-e-muassh na rhay r ameri ka gharoor ho tou phir loog in cheezon ko bhot importance dety hain...so, zulfiqar mirza ba background bi kuch aisa hay ...agar us nay is cheez ka hawala dia tou kuch itna galt nai kia . to sm extent he is right

4- Quran Pak wali bat ....Zulfiqar mirza ko jitna ragra (sorry mods) media nay lagaya hay kisi ki soch hay . us ka aik itna distorted image bna dia gaya hay k such main aisa hi lgta tha k so such main aik aisa bnda hay jis say sensation phelany k liya jo mrzi khelwa lo. agar wo aj Quran Pak na uthata tou hm main say kitna loog us ka yaqeen krty ya tm khud janti hoo.

and no hard feelings farah dosti apni jaga tay Pakistan apni jaga lolz

@r wo sb jo Mirza Sahb ka yaqeen nai kr rahy... afsos ap loogon ka Imana itna kamzoor hay Main aik Muslim hoon, mera Iman hay k Quran Pak Allah Pak ki aik Pakeeza r Muqadas kitab hay...main kbi Naouzbillah mar k bi nai soch skti k main jhoota Quran Pak uthaon gi r na hi kbi main ya soch skti hon k koi r Muslin Ramazan ul Mubarik main jhooti Quran Pak ki Qasm khay ga. Khuda k liya apna Iman mazboot bnain ..

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fully agree with you.agar as muslims hum quran pe yaqeen nahin karte tu ye hamara kamzoar iman hai oar agar koi quran pe half le k jhoot bole tu ye us ka kamzoar iman hai.mirza ne jo kuch bhi kaha agar woh quran pe half le k na bhi kehte tu bhi hum jaante hain k unhon ne jo bhi kaha hai bilkul sach hai.but woh ye bhi jaante the k is mulk k boht se log is tarah un ki baat ka yaqeen nahin karein ge is liye unhoan ne quran pe baat ki.koi bhi ho bhale politician ya aam adimi quran pak us ki sachai sabit karne ka us k paas last option hota hai.mirza k paas tu boht saare proves bhi hain.

Rehman malik k bare main baat kar k mirza ne indirectly zardari ko hi target kia hai kyun k baqol malik k woh zardari ki policy chala raha hai.rahi ye baat k jab mirza minister tha tu us ne tab action kyun nahin liya tu unhon ne her baat se apne leaders ko bakhabr rakha ab ye un pe depend karta tha k woh kya action lete hain but jab unhoan ne kuch nahin kya tu mirza ko awam k saamne sab zahir karna hi theek laga.mirza ne jo kuch kaha hai woh koi mamooli baat nahin.boht kam politicians k paas aisi himat hoti hai k apna poora career dao pe laga k apni hi party k khilaaf jaa k sach ka sath dein.

oar aik baat oar Pakistan mein kam hi politicians sach bol paate hain tu bolne do na un ko.us pe bhi logoan ko aitraz ho raha hai k unhoan ne sach bola tu kyun bola agar nahin bolte tu kehte hain k sach ka sath nahin dete.infact hum log kisi baat pe khush nahin reh sakte na jhoot pe na sach pe.waise bhi sach kabhi bhi bola jaa sakta hai us k liye time ki qeyd nahin k us waqt bolna chahiye ya is waqt nahin.

Dair aye, darust aye! I welcome his act of bravery.mujhe to khush honay k liye yahi kafi hai k Altaf Bhai ka raha saha thora sa bharam jo kisi k zahn k konay main tha woh bhi tor dia is insan ne sach bolne ki himmat kr k, or ab is insaan ki maut (mustaqbil qareeb main agar ru-pazeer hui to) Altaaf k qaatil or jhoota honay pe mohr saabit hogi. I salute to his bravery, for the danger he has posed to himself and his family was already mentioned in Capital Talk by Hamid Meer by quoting the authentic information about the arrest of an MQM's karaye ka qaatil to assassinate him.

hmmmm, really ,, well i have had a very different experience of feudals

Quran uthane kee baat pe logun kee baaten sunne jaisee hain jaise aaj shaam ko jab main ghar se bahar nikla to her taraf mirza mirza ho rahi thi,, aise main aik banda mila aur us ne kaha ke yaar mirza quran pe haath rakh ke bol raha tha ke maine kabhi 1 rupiya bhi kisi kaa nahin khaya,, tumhain lagta hai ke yeh sahi hoga,, bande ne Quran pe haath rakha hua tha to is kaa matlab bari zimedari se bolna chahiye (us kaa matlab yeh tha ke agar bachpan main kisi chote bache kaa 1 rupiya bhi khaya ho to bhi Quran pe rakha hua haath jhoota to sabit ho jaata hai ),, khair maine to us ko yeh keh ke taal dia ke yaar bare siasatdanun ke 1 rupay kaa matlab hai 1 caror to us ne asal main kisi kaa 1 caror nahin khaya hoga ... laikin is se yeh baat to saabit hai ke Quran-e-Pak kee izzat hamari society main behad ziada hai (dikhawi tor pe, amali tor pe main to maine khud dekha hai ke kis tarah se log Quran pe haath rakh ke bhi jhut bol jaate hain, yaa jaise courts main under oath jhut bol jaate hain ),, is liye Quran-e-Pak ko is tarah siasat main laane kee riwayat daalna achi baat nahin hai...

BTW,, salute to Dr. Mirza,, hats off ... he deserves it for being simply honest and straight forward which has become a rare commodity in our country's politics and i dont think he lied about anything in his press conference. Lets see what happens next..

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so far so good..

wait for the time.. kuch dino main pata chal jayega kia hakikat thi kia fasana tha.. filhal jo in gunahgar ankho ney diakha woh yehi hai k mr mirza has shown a great example of courage and boldness.. it needs a LION'S HEART..

though some ambiguities are there like if malik is culprit and zardari is honest then why malik is in govt..?? this malik mystery is yet to be unfolded.. let's see what's next..? only time will reveal the actual picture..

by the way kuch dino sy mqm is off screen.. mirza ki press conference ka bhi us tariky sey reaction nai aya jis tarah mqm se expect kia jana chahiye tha.. aur phir imran farooq ki murder investigation critical mor se guzar rahi hai.. and then lyari operation and all.. timing of all events is crucial.. ting tong lets wait...

for now
HATS OFF to mirza saab

A Requeat

Everyone please write in English so everyone could read and understand it properly and easily and if u like to use Urdu then please emulate miss Farah Zafar and write real Urdu instead this flop tough to understand roman Urdu. Thanks.


As far as Mirza sb is concerned we must appreciate that atleast he is not greedy like these pppl pml n guys. Though he could have behaved more decently but still he has proven himself better than other greedy indifferent politicians.

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Originally Posted by suman fully agree with you.agar as muslims hum quran pe yaqeen nahin karte tu ye hamara kamzoar iman hai oar agar koi quran pe half le k jhoot bole tu ye us ka kamzoar iman hai. mirza ne jo kuch bhi kaha agar woh quran pe half le k na bhi kehte tu bhi hum jaante hain k unhon ne jo bhi kaha hai bilkul sach hai.but woh ye bhi jaante the k is mulk k boht se log is tarah un ki baat ka yaqeen nahin karein ge is liye unhoan ne quran pe baat ki.koi bhi ho bhale politician ya aam adimi quran pak us ki sachai sabit karne ka us k paas last option hota hai.mirza k paas tu boht saare proves bhi hain.

Respected Sister, this is not a matter of believing in Holy Quran, rather bringing Holy Quran in the dirty political arena. and Yahi to point ha, K agar Mr Mirza has so much proof, as u said, which he actually had, then there is no point bringing Holy Quran in this, he can easily give the proof to media and today in court.
as I already said in my earlier post

"This is a dangerous course he adopted, by taking oath on Holy Quran.

Many would say that he took the oath just to prove himself truthful, but this objective can be achieved by giving the attested copies of all the relevant sensitive material to media.

Did u see even after his press conference, and after taking oath, at the end, journalist demanded to show the proof of his accusations, that mean they also (sadly) give more weightage to the documents ,e,g, JIT reports etc.

So Mirza Sb, can do same thing without bringing Holy Quran in this.

I am not against Taking Oath on Holy Quran, but in this style, by such class of people, this is not fair and admirable.

Also, think for a second, if tomarrow, MQM and its terrorists also make a press conference with Holy Quran in their Hands, then what?????
This is why, this practice should be discouraged, specially by the class of politicians we have...

Because many if not all, have already sold their souls and faith to satan, and those who have sold their faith might not afraid even taking false oath on the Greatest Book on Earth!!!"

Hope this will clarify the point.

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Originally Posted by Call for Change 4- Quran Pak wali bat ....Zulfiqar mirza ko jitna ragra (sorry mods) media nay lagaya hay kisi ki soch hay . us ka aik itna distorted image bna dia gaya hay k such main aisa hi lgta tha k so such main aik aisa bnda hay jis say sensation phelany k liya jo mrzi khelwa lo. agar wo aj Quran Pak na uthata tou hm main say kitna loog us ka yaqeen krty ya tm khud janti hoo. @r wo sb jo Mirza Sahb ka yaqeen nai kr rahy... afsos ap loogon ka Imana itna kamzoor hay Main aik Muslim hoon, mera Iman hay k Quran Pak Allah Pak ki aik Pakeeza r Muqadas kitab hay...main kbi Naouzbillah mar k bi nai soch skti k main jhoota Quran Pak uthaon gi r na hi kbi main ya soch skti hon k koi r Muslin Ramazan ul Mubarik main jhooti Quran Pak ki Qasm khay ga. Khuda k liya apna Iman mazboot bnain ..

people would have believed him, as many already knew that MQM is terrorist organisation, he just had to give the documents bearing proof of MQM's involvement in media and court.
and matter would have the same authanticity and power, without Bringing Holy Quran in this dirty politics....


or jahan tak Emaan ke kamzori ka ta'aluq ha to again this is not the issue. as I have discussed.

And as far as it is concerned that you would never think of taking false oath does not mean that no one else can take false oath too....
Do u think of killing, beheading and drilling Muslims???? certainly not, but see, MQM or its terrorists do it. So, if we are unable to commit a crime this does not mean that no one would commit, but its good to have good opinion about other Muslims.