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Yes but in this way, Pakistan is also the result of revolution in 1947.
That revolution was based upon two nation theory which failed to take ground in newly created country .
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I think its both mixture of Revolution and Evolution.
Revolutionize ourselves and the system will evolve through it.
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I think its both mixture of Revolution and Evolution.
Revolutionize ourselves and the system will evolve through it.
Exactly, that is the proper way, we have to revolutionize ourselves first, the system will evolve itself.
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Revolutionize ourselves and the system will evolve through it.
Revolutions never work that way on individuals, an organized and collective struggle with a direction makes a revolution and changes individuals automatically .
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Revolutions never work that way on individuals, an organized and collective struggle with a direction makes a revolution and changes individuals automatically .
even collective efforts need individual efforts,
and what do you call a revolution?
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and what do you call a revolution?
A revolution (from the Latin revolutio, "a turn around") is a fundamental change in power or organizational structures that takes place in a relatively short period of time.

A political revolution, in the Trotskyist theory, is an upheaval in which the government is replaced, or the form of government altered, but in which property relations are predominantly left intact. The revolutions in France in 1830 and 1848 are often cited as political revolutions (The French Revolution of 1790s was a social revolution).
Political Revolutions are contrasted with social revolutions in which old property relations are overturned. Leon Trotsky's book, The Revolution Betrayed, is the most widely cited development of the theory.

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even collective efforts need individual efforts,
What I was trying to say was ofcourse individual revolution comes first but ultimately if it doesn't take shape of an organized and collective struggle for a purpose it won't materialize .. Evolutionary process bring change in individuals and revolutions ultimately materialize and collectivize individual changes .
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Yes but in this way, Pakistan is also the result of revolution in 1947.



I was thinking a bit more realistically. Unfortunately, humarey logon ko danday se theek karna parta hai. So in this chaotic situation what is the fastest way out? That is my question
o yara,hum kaun sy dodh sy dholay log hain jo apni quom ko dandhay sy theek karnay ki souch rahy hain???JAIL ki rakhwali k liay saza-e-maut ka kaida nai bithya jata,bal k wo bithaya jata hai jis ka track record bilkul saf ho...
yeh tou woi bat ho gai k ek baap khud kabhi musalay ki shkal na daikhay aur beytaay ko koth lgana shuru kar dy k bgyrtaa tou 5 waqt ki namax ba jamat ku nai parhta????
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o yara,hum kaun sy dodh sy dholay log hain jo apni quom ko dandhay sy theek karnay ki souch rahy hain???JAIL ki rakhwali k liay saza-e-maut ka kaida nai bithya jata,bal k wo bithaya jata hai jis ka track record bilkul saf ho...
yeh tou woi bat ho gai k ek baap khud kabhi musalay ki shkal na daikhay aur beytaay ko koth lgana shuru kar dy k bgyrtaa tou 5 waqt ki namax ba jamat ku nai parhta????
What makes you think that all people in this country are corrupt? It seems that you don't trust yourself. And I have personally seen honest people who want to change the system and do their best to contribute to the society. Such people, despite being wealthy and successful live a simple life as stated in Islam. If you think that our whole society is like our rulers then you are wrong, and I feel sorry that you think this way. Please try to be positive. Our beloved country has had enough of negative thinking.

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I think its both mixture of Revolution and Evolution.
Revolutionize ourselves and the system will evolve through it.
I agree with Mr. Kashif. Revolutions don't work this way. A revolution is a collective effort of an extremely large number of people. Its more than possible in Pakistan, but we are not ready for it.
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A revolution is a collective effort of an extremely large number of people. Its more than possible in Pakistan, but we are not ready for it.
That is another misconception. A revolution is never initiated by extremely large number of people, it is always initiated by a few well organized, well understanding and struggling people with an ideology that addresses people's plight, may it be a social or a political revolution, however in order to take roots it requires extremely large number of people's "will to change" . Take the example of Islam, Holy Prophet (SAW) came up with an ideology (which ofcourse was revealed to him by Allah (SWT)), he (SAW) were initially followed by well disciplined, well understanding, struggling and organized fellows who had a belief in Prophet (SAW), gradually the ideology began to spread and all types of people (including hypocrites ) begun to join but everything was maintained in an organized way for the purpose and ultimately Islam became a reality for the world .
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That is another misconception. A revolution is never initiated by extremely large number of people, it is always initiated by a few well organized, well understanding and struggling people with an ideology that addresses people's plight, may it be a social or a political revolution, however in order to take roots it requires extremely large number of people's "will to change" . Take the example of Islam, Holy Prophet (SAW) came up with an ideology (which ofcourse was revealed to him by Allah (SWT)), he (SAW) were initially followed by well disciplined, well understanding, struggling and organized fellows who had a belief in Prophet (SAW), gradually the ideology began to spread and all types of people (including hypocrites ) begun to join but everything was maintained in an organized way for the purpose and ultimately Islam became a reality for the world .
It seems you misunderstood me. I didn't say initiated. I said that it is a collective effort by a large number of people. Of course those few well organised individuals need some support to achieve what they want.
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