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NATO supply should be open because Pakistan can not live in isolation. We should be considered a part of solution rather than part a part of problem. If we are really interested for the end of Afghan war then we should open the route that we can see peaceful Afganistan which is not only good for Afghanistan but also for Pakistan. All we know that Pakistan is also big stakeholder of Afghan war. No country can like in isolation so is the case with our country.
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Dear there is a quotation that
A long journey starts with a short step.
, thts why me said, ths is good step takn by prsnt govt.

@ waqar abro
was such kind of bold step taken against USA in histry by any pak govt??????
NATO Supply should not be opened before these conditions are met. If they have to open they must amend these suggestions or they must lock down the parliament.
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NATO supply routes should be opened but on the basis of equality, it dos'nt harm the sovereignty of the nation if Turkey asked for $50million/year for Afghanistan providing the longest route than why should not Pakistan Take more in reply of Do more. As front line ally against war in terror Pakistan losses more than any other nation 35000 people affect loss of $70 million. It is the right of Pakistan.

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US supply trucks cross Pak-Afghan border: officials

PESHAWAR: Pakistan allowed four containers of office supplies for the US embassy in Kabul to cross into Afghanistan for the first time following a six-month blockade, officials said on Friday.Islamabad closed its Afghan border crossings to NATO supplies on November 26 when US air strikes killed 24 Pakistani soldiers, leaving hundreds of containers of international supplies stranded at the port in Karachi and plunging relations with Washington to a new low.The four trucks of US embassy supplies crossed Pakistan s northwest Torkham border into Afghanistan, the officials told AFP on condition of anonymity because they were not allowed to release the information to the media.'I can t give you the exact number but a lot more will go to Afghanistan in coming days. These all are diplomatic shipments, I mean non-NATO supplies,' one of the officials said.In Kabul, the US embassy said it could not confirm the shipment.There were conflicting accounts of when the trucks crossed, with one source saying they began moving earlier in the week and another saying they passed through on Friday.Almost 300 containers of US embassy supplies, including stationery, computers and printers, are understood to have been stranded in Pakistan by the blockade.Pakistan and US officials are still negotiating rules, fees and logistics for resuming the NATO transit lines, and Islamabad has not said when NATO supplies will resume. (AFP)

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Pakistan should open the block route of Nato supply as much as Pakistan can open that because there is a number of factor that if Pakistan will not open the route for Nato supply .So,the war against terrorism will automatically stop .In addition to , Pakistan is also facing terrorism threats as can see in daily bomb blast ...Now the Government must think about the Financial Crisis ,which is also taking place in high level...So, in order to remove the financial crisis , the Government must accept the given proposal of US officials that they said ..we will pay 1 lakh 80 thousand on per Track..its a golden chance for Pakistan for reopening the route for Nato ...
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Nato supply should be blocked for ever..Americans killed our soldiers in salala check post intentionally and we want to help them out...how disgusting is this? If US will give dollars in return to unblock Nato supply then the politicians will just do one thing they will deposit that money to their bank accounts..History reveals that US ever decieved Pakistan in the situation of crises and how mad we(people of Pakistan) are we have forgot what happened in past.
I am very agree with Mr. Irfan Shahid that Nato supply should be blocked forever and we should never forget about Salalah check post not internationally but intentionally, here is a question for every Pakistani and even for every CSP officer that can you survive without USA, and answer is very clear NO NO, when you rent your check posts to other forces to come and fight in your neighbours or you have a failed intelligence athourties who are for on sale international level and your country is full of terrorism and worse example of so called Democracy, you cannot resist for so long and when you do perform blunders on international level, that what people do, so we should open Nato supply on TERMS AND CONDITIONS on our intersts and show the world that our soveranity is more then anything but at the sametime we want good relationship with US on the equal basis , because on thing is very clear that US cannot win the war in Afghanistan without the help of Pakistan and believe me Obama is considering apology but Pakistan has to defend itself on international level so us should no option.

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Pakistan should open the block route of Nato supply as much as Pakistan can open that because there is a number of factor that if Pakistan will not open the route for Nato supply .So,the war against terrorism will automatically stop .In addition to , Pakistan is also facing terrorism threats as can see in daily bomb blast ...Now the Government must think about the Financial Crisis ,which is also taking place in high level...So, in order to remove the financial crisis , the Government must accept the given proposal of US officials that they said ..we will pay 1 lakh 80 thousand on per Track..its a golden chance for Pakistan for reopening the route for Nato ...
NO, i am highly disagree with you, there is only one way that should be adopted by US officials is "Apology and an agreement on fair basis, terms and conditions, because US cannot resist to much in this matter, manifact US Government wants to resolve this issue overnight so here is golden chance for Pakistani government to show the strenght of their sovereignty and Pakistan can demand high rates too .

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getting loan from IMF is not of fiscal pressure but of foreign trade deficit(imports more than export),fiscal deficit is when govt. expenditures are more than tex ravenue. fiscal deficit could be controlled by tight monetary policy, but to correct foreign trade deficit/ BOP we are dependent on IMF,if we do not correct it we will bankrupt,loan from IMF is conditional, u.s.a have 265000 S.D.Rs which are much more than any other country in the world.is there any sovereignty? as far as drone attacks concerned....how could america transfer such a latest technology to beggars who have no specific satellite setup? Pakistan's satellite is not eligible for drone.
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i can't understand why their is so hue and cry about the NATO supplies and their sombre picture presented by political parties, media and public opinion?

are they unmindful of the fact that thousands of pakistani's predominantly the tribal people of waziristan and respective agencies are earning their living of it?
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This article will help you in understanding why we should open the route.

Poker lessons
ONE lesson I learnt from years of gambling in my misspent youth is that if you are bluffing with a weak hand, make sure you have a big pile of cash on the table.

This is something our leaders have not yet absorbed. If they had, they would not have closed the Nato supply corridor, and demanded an end of drone strikes and a formal apology from President Obama in the aftermath of the Salala tragedy last November.The reality is that according to Wikileaks, everybody from Zardari to Kayani to Gilani had privately given the green light to drones. Musharraf even authorised them to operate from a secret base in Balochistan. And to expect Barack Obama to make a public apology over a controversial incident in an election year is to reveal total ignorance of American political realities.

To be sure, the tragic death of two dozen Pakistani soldiers on the Afghan border by US forces sent a wave of outrage across the country. Clearly, the government had to respond to the incident. However, by rejecting an American offer for a joint inquiry, our high command sent out a signal that it had not been entirely blameless in the affair.

In any case, to drag out the closure of supply routes for six months, we not only added to Nato’s costs of conducting operations and sustaining its forces in Afghanistan, but we also spelled out that our role in the alliance is transactional and transient. Increasingly, Pakistan is being viewed as part of the problem, and not part of the solution to the Afghan imbroglio.

We in Pakistan have been so brainwashed by the notion that the whole world is against us that we forget how much we have contributed to anti-Pakistan perceptions abroad. By continuing to use militants to further our dodgy (and well-documented) agenda in the region, our defence establishment has made it difficult for most of its foreign counterparts to trust us over any issue.

For Americans, the discovery that Osama Bin Laden was living in Abbottabad for years was proof of Pakistani connivance with Al Qaeda. Fortunately, nothing in the documents and computer discs recovered from Bin Laden’s compound has confirmed any links with Pakistani intelligence. But ordinary Americans as well as most politicians are convinced that he could not have lived for years under the military’s nose without tacit official approval.

Writing at the time, I had stuck my neck out and suggested that the whole fiasco was due to incompetence rather than connivance. However, when I gave this explanation to the media and university audiences in the US when I was there for my book tour last November, my words were met with polite disbelief.

As a result of the perception that Pakistan, far from helping the US in Afghanistan, is actively trying to hinder it, legislation has been moved in the American Congress to place severe restrictions on US aid. Once it becomes law, the administration will have to certify Pakistan’s good behaviour on a host of issues, ranging from nuclear proliferation to terrorism.

When one state makes public demands of another, it should have the means to reach a compromise that is at least halfway to its starting position. But when we demanded a public apology and the cessation of drone strikes, we had no way to force the Americans to deliver on either.

And to get an invitation to the Chicago summit to discuss Afghanistan, we were forced to reopen Nato supply routes. Had we bowed to the inevitable months ago, we would not be viewed as a carpet seller who lowers his price when the customer threatens to leave.

The late Amarillo Slim, the world poker champion in the 1970s, and the man largely responsible for popularising the game, always advised students “not to play the cards, but play the man”. In other words, a successful poker player should read his opponent, and not just focus on his cards. In our case, the US has read us pretty accurately.

Basically, Washington sees a punter who is playing with borrowed cash, and is determined to bluff on every hand. This is a no-brainer for even a greenhorn: call the bluff every time. In a transactional relationship, one side basically says to the other: ‘You can have this if I can have that.’ In the troubled relationship between the US and Pakistan, there has been little in common in terms of values or goals.

We have sought to collect the highest rent possible on our strategic real estate. But if you get greedy and jack up your rent unreasonably, the client has the option to walk away. This is what happened when we denied passage to Nato supplies, and the US was forced to pay a higher price for sending supplies through alternate routes.

Being dependent on US financial and military assistance while simultaneously attempting to thwart its strategic goals in the region displays schizophrenia and duplicity of a high order. Above all, it leads to confusion at the highest decision-making level.

So while the military seeks stability, its actions lead to instability. And while our civilian leadership attempts to present a united front to the world, in reality it seeks to cover up and deny our support for extremists.

Any sane foreign policy is about winning friends and forging alliances. In our case, we do everything we can to achieve the opposite. By blocking supply routes, we thought we were punishing America; but the fact is that some 40 other NATO countries are involved in Afghanistan. By our action, we made no friends in Nato capitals.

Both Asif Zardari and Nawaz Sharif have demonstrated that they have a far better understanding of how the world works than our military leadership. Our generals are convinced that they can ratchet up their demands indefinitely, and the world will play along because of our geo-strategic location.

However, once western forces leave the region, we will be of marginal interest, and then only for our nuisance value. Our attempts to bluff and bluster will cut no ice. We really, really need to wake up and smell the coffee.

The writer is the author of Fatal Faultlines: Pakistan, Islam and the West.
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اگر پاکستان کسی بھی دباؤ میں آکر نیٹو کی سپلائی کھولتا ہے تو پاکستان میں ایک دفعہ پھر خود کُش دھماکوں*کا سلسلہ شروع ہو جائے گا۔ ہمیں*اب اس بات کو سمجھ لینا چاہیے کی افغان طالبان اور ہیں اور پاکستانی طالبان (ttp)اور۔ خود ملاعمر بھی کئی مرتبہ اس بات کو واضح کر چکے ہیں*کہ پاکستان میں ہونیوالے خودکش حملوں سے اُن کا یا افغان طالبان کا کوئی ہاتھ نہیں۔ مگر افسوس کہ یہ کنٹرولڈ میڈیا آپ کو یہ بات کبھی نہیں بتائے گا۔
تحریکِ طالبان پاکستان جو کہ امریکن سپورٹڈ تنظیم ہے کی ساری انتظامی اور مالی امداد افغانستان سے ہو رہی ہے۔اور یہ امداد افغان طالبان نہیں بلکہ امریکہ اور بھارت اسرائیل کے ایمہ پر کر رہا ہے۔ جب تک افغانستان میں*موجود تحریک طالبان پاکستان کے ہیڈکواٹرز کو سپلائی بند رہے گی تب تک ان کا پاکستان میں آپریشن بند رہے گا۔ وقت آگیا ہے کہ ہم باقائدہ طور نیٹوسپلائی کی بحالی کے خلاف تحریک چلائیں۔
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