Originally Posted by sana chudhary

@sabahat

first the question of selection of ruler;

as you say that all caliph were selected by different way but if you see then you realize that one thing is common ; selection of the "best" person and by the best person or persons.
as Holy Prophet(PBUH) selected Hazrat Abubakar R.A and that time Prophet(PBUH) has the authority to do this. 2nd caliph selected by the person who is the selection of the Prophet(PBUH). but despite of this Hzrat Umer R.A asked people about his selection. and then 3rd and 4th caliph were appointed by the people who were the most pious and responsible personalities means shura .
then you can say that the order of quran that " hukumat ahel logon k hawaly kro" is varily implemented at that time. but after it you know how the situation is changed.
now a days it is not difficult to find out a person who is pious and most responsible but the need is that the ulmas of all sects as well as the whole nation have to forget their major differences on minor issues and agree on some common points .

second difference between immamat and khilafat:

this is most controversial issue between two major sects and i hope if you are the student of islamic studies you must have the knowledge about it . but in general the meaning of khalipha is vice (naib) so it is most suitable word for islamic ruler who is the vice of Allah and Holy Prophet(pbuh) . but it is not necessary that the ruler must called caliph just as now a days modern words also utilized. because islam is not the religion of words but it is the religion of works.

in last islam never ever creats problems for us but it makes our life more easy
but the condition is that we have to follow it in its true spirit not according to our objects. just remember the order of Allah "appoint the best person"

Originally Posted by sabahatbhutta

when I read the Islamic history.. I find that there was a difference in the method of appointment of each Kahlifa and each kahallifa had a different view of running the business of government... Like the 1st Khalifa Hazrat BAu Bakar Siddique R.A was nominated by Muhammad S.A.W,,, The 2nd Kahlifa Hazrat Umar R.A although nominated by Hazrat Abu BAkar R.A but Hazrat Umar R.A presented himself before the people of Madina/Makkah to legitimize his nomination.. The 3rd Kahlifa HAzrat Usman R.A was nominated by a Shura ( consultative commitee).. and there was a divide in Shura on the nomination of 4th Khalifa....
I don't want to create any controversy my sole intention is to get answers of my quests...
Which political model we should adopt????
Also there is a divide in Ummah on issue of Political model... Pakistan is a diverse country... Some sects support Khilafat while some Support Immamat....
Which is suitable for Pakistan, keeping in view its diversity......????

Originally Posted by alihashmatkhoso

i am agree with your views...... but please elaborate your statement that 1st caliph was nominated by prophet. i am also student of history i followed A Short History of Islam by Mazhar UL Haq didn't find that which you wrote in your post....... and your work on political model of Islam is extra ordinary........ best of luck God Bless you

Originally Posted by sabahatbhutta

Originally Posted by alihashmatkhoso

the meetin at Saqifa Bani Sa'ida Alides Umayyad, Ansar they all are proclaimed that a successor out to be elected from them. Hubab bin Manzar one of the Ansar leaders, proposed that there should two chiefs one from Muhajreen and another from Ansar this suggestion was at once rejected by Hazrat Umar, he said there could not be two sovereigns in one state at this Hubab and Hazrat Umar exchanged hot words. even Hubab asked Ansar to expel Muajreen from their city in case they refused their rule. Abu Ubeda al Jarrah intervened and said " oO ansar! you were the first to uphold Islam. do not be the first also to sow the seed of dissension in it" then Abu Bakr pointing towards Hazrat Umar and Abu Ubyda said here are two companions of the prophet. chose anyone from them as chief" but both cried at once( you have already been his companion in the thaur. you are our chief. stretch forth your hand and they both took the oath of allegiance at Abu Bakr's hand thus soluting him as a khalifa or successor of the Prophet of God...........