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Recent Visits of Mr. President


The recent visits of President Parvaiz Musharaf to the neighboring countries of Iran have been widely discussed among the Political scientists of the world.

In my opinion, these visits are of vital importance because of their timing. When Americans have set their hearts to topple the Iranian Government or oust hardliner Muhammad Ahmedinjad.But this seems not to be like a cheery picking for Americans, because they are already bogged down in Iraq as well as in Afghanistan. Their recent adventure in Iran would not be as simple as it seems to be, because Iran has all the capability to reply the American Pre-emptive strikes. Thus the conclusion would be another Vietnam or Iraq and the turmoil will engulf the whole Middle East.

Pakistan understands the situation, and because of that its stand has been in favor of Iran since the very first day. It has made it clear that any pre-emptive strike will have its bad omen not only on Middle East, but on Pakistan also. Therefore, before taking any hasty step the USA must give space to diplomatic talks. And for that Pakistan has always offered its services for diplomatic solution to the problem.

Pakistan is not only an active member of OIC, but it is also a NON-NATO Ally of America. Therefore the recent visits of Pakistani President to the major Arab Countries are about the deplorable situation in the Middle East. Pakistan can play its role to abridge the gap between the Washington and Tehran and put pressure on other Arab countries to come forward in these dire consequences. Because Pakistan don’t want to face any un-wanted situation at home.

Pakistan has been facing the menace of terrorism since long. It has a large population of Shias at home. Therefore any silly step taken in Iran will indirectly create another internal problem for Pakistan. It has been already busy with the aggrandized situation created by Afghanistan, however it is in no mood to see another problem nurturing at its other border. So, in order to save itself from the upcoming problems Pakistani president is pursuing the Arab leader to contemplate the situation. Because once the Iran, which is second largest oil producer among the OPEC countries, is attacked the oil prices will touch the sky.

This oil bomb will be more detrimental than any other weapon; because once the prices will touch the sky the whole region will have to pay the price of this.

So, it is high time for all the OIC members to think over the situation impartially and pursue Tehran as well as Washington to settle their score through diplomacy rather than any military strike against each other.



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AoA, good analysis Nedian...

Pakistan's position in Iran crisis is very important as well as crucial....

Afghanistan is hostile to Pakistan and problems have been increased after anti-terrorist war in Afghanistan... India is always a big hell for us and problems in Iran could b have very drastic effects on Pakistan. .. the situation is even worse in present circumstances, when there is tensions in our own hearts for each other i.e. Balochistan crisis... any misadventure in Iran can spark fire in Balochistan.....

u r very right that Pakistan has good number of shia population... v do have great reverence for shias.. there r differences in teaching of different school of thoughts but ALLAH and HOLY Prophet (pbuh) are same.... the heaven and hell are also same... so we dont have any big issues to fight over... Islam teaches tolerance and v al r Muslims first ... shia and sunni came afterwards..... so shias in Iran are our Muslim Brethren ....

certainly the visit of President has far reaching effects particularly in Mid East and generally for whole globe....
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Thx for appreciation Tabassum.

It has also been discussed among the political pundits and gurus at Pakistan that the recent visit of Mr. President is nothing more than a Confidence building Campaign for his upcoming elections, and his intention is to get some co-operation from Arab leaders to sail him through his election smoothly. Because it is obvious that any turmoil after election can be aggravated if president is not supported by other dictators. How far these statements are correct or these are just rumors and heresy.

All the other senior members are solicited to put their analysis about the recent visits of Mr. President.


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Good work,

For Western Nations Iran is a Muslim country. Shia/Sunny comes later, they don't want us (Muslims) to with them in the pace of development. US is also against IPI project though Pakistan shows its commitments. US using neuclear deal and other incentives for India to keep it away from the project. President visit is good sign of building greater friendly ties with Iran in this situation. Moreover, China and Russia are also against US invision. China will be having great concerns if US attach Iran, by this way US can control oil supply to China, hence they can have a check on China's economy, which they are facing as persestence challange for US. There might be some backup support from China to Pakistan as well.

Internationally its game of interest of countries and it changes time to time. Russia also confirmed their nuclear programme support to Iran.

Situation of Iran is getting complex, US will have to think 10000000000000 times before attacking due to internal and external pressure. His coaliation parterns can also be against Him and that will keep him alone in the international community.

President visit might be a sign for moral support to Iran, but we must also think that US may be playing game here as well. Musharraf might visited Iran, because he has been asked by US to do so for searching other options, loopholes, weak areas etc........ So its possibility that they are playing their cards.............

Who knows, whats the end of all this, but we should pray for Muslim's unity regardless of ethnicity, for getting greater power and say in world affairs those are often imbalanced for Muslims.

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Yes of course it is good work and deep thiking about the Muslim not any person is Shia or Sunni every one is just Muslim nothing else
Other then this who discuss is go to hell
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Internationally its game of interest of countries and it changes time to time. .
Thx Amjad, but I think ur post has made the discussion more interesting and has stretched it to wider spectrum of international politics in general and USA in particular. I will be obliged to reply.


There is an old maxim that ‘enemy of today is friend of tomorrow’.

Today friends and foes are made on the basis of National Interests. But, some times personal hegemony is imposed on others in the name of national interests. In words of former Secretary of State Madeline Albright that USA is a sole Power, without which any international dispute can neither get solution nor progress. So, in this wider fabric of international politics USA has it’s selfish interests somewhere or everywhere.

Japan, the old nemesis of USA in Second World War, has been supported for its Taiwan cause against the China. Because it is China, which has mettle to compete the USA in International Market as well as in International politics. Therefore, to achieve its selfish ends USA has always tried to contain China, even the recent deal with India has the same motive.

India, an old ally of Washington’s cold war foe Russia, has been provided with all the perks and privileges in shape of Nuclear deals against a friendly Pakistan, who has always supported the Washington’s causes in the region. But, USA has always sidelined the Pakistan after its motives are accomplished in the region.

If USA thinks that it can use India to contain China then it’s just a wishful thinking. Because the recent statements of Foreign Minister Parnab Mukharjee that we can withdraw from the deal if USA will ask India to sign any additional documents, which are against the India’s own interests. So, India will never be Indebted to USA for its deal thus, it is making India hard nut to crack.

On the other hand, Iran is pursuing its Nuclear Program, because it knows beforehand that it’s the next target. And it’s well known fact that USA has no reverence for the UNSC or its resolutions. Therefore Iran can be justified for its Nuclear weapons on the ground that USA is responsible for that. If USA had not included Iran in AXIS of EVIL, had not stopped EU-3 to offer more privileges, and had not attacked Iraq against the UNSC resolutions, the Iran would not have opted for nuclear deterrence.

Today we are the Non-Nato Allies of Washington for our services in war against terrorism. We are applauded for our role in the region, but when it comes to nuclear deal. Mr. Bush de-hyphenated us from India. Because according to him India’s energy needs and Pakistan’s energy needs are different. Even after this we have not learned from the history, which speaks louder than anything else.

Pakistan joined SEATO and CENTO out of fear from India. It tried to reconcile its relations with USA for its own security in the region. But the future events of 1965,1971 and even after 1979 the Pakistan has faced severe troubles for its friendship with USA.
USA is a fair-weather friend, which can sideline our interests it they would intersect with its own interests.


Today, if Washington economically helping us, then it should not be considered that we are so near and dear to USA. USA has always followed the policy of carrot and stick. Until and unless we are its supporters in war against terrorism we are in its good books and once we will let it up we will be thrown to back burner. We can feel the winds of change, even from now, when other day USA congress has proposed a bill for stopping military support to Pakistan.

The bitter experiences of the past have compelled us to contemplate the implications of this help. The price of this help would be much greater than before. We must learn from history and set our traits on the sound footings. We must not mold our policy out of fear from USA, and pursue our independent foreign policy towards Iran, Syria and China. We have our own foes and friends, and we don’t need some ones dictation that whose foe and whose friend. We must not relay on support from the USA, but try to have amicable relationship with China. Which is our Ever-green Friend .


Well I’m tired of writing , so I think that’s sufficient to understand the present scenario of American politics. I will be obliged, if some one will bother to add some thing to this .



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@ Nedian,

Greate!!!!!!!!!!

Now if we stick to your first post, please comment on the statement of Prime Minister at GENEVA on Iran Nuclear issue, don't you think its a bit contradiction????

President visited Iran and we thinked it is about showing solidarity with IRAN, but PM statement is just the opposite. It clarifies what I said previously that President might visit IRAN that oh ho, please bear with us that we will be issuing some statements in future thost might not be very much favouable for you. Its mean President visit might be a game from US side. But, again who knows....................... whats the other side of the picture.........


And about INDIA, CHINA, RUSSIA and US is that Indians are so clever:-

they had deal with US and also with Russia, see how they got favour of both both countries even during cold war and got previllage of non-aligned (NAM) as well.

Now they need Russia to have support for international politics and in UN (because of Russian status at UN), INDIA tried to get permanent seat in UN and the proposal was rejected. If INDIA will get that seat how it will change its foreign policy towards Russia or othe countries, it will be interesting. They will damn care about others at that time. Currently they are draging Russia with them just because of that political favour.

No doubt that China is our good friend. They supported us every where. There are various reasons, we are their saviour in many ways......... The shortest and easiest access to Middle East market, stretegic support being ally, energy coridor in the guture, economic partner etc................

Still I feel that we should lean our foreign policy towards China more than US, it will realize US that we are a bit independent and if they will left us we can also left them. But, our politicians are not that much farsighted. They want to have assistance for the time being ad not long term.

See where it will end.

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@ Amjad


No one from us can analyze the situation correctly, thz y, what ever we are discussing that could be or could not be the true dimension of the problem. But, discussion makes things clear and thz y we are here on this forum.


In my opinion any reluctance from Pakistan’s side, to support Iran, can be detrimental. As I have already discussed in my previous post and I will again emphasize the same that it will be a total mess for Pakistan if we are not going to have tough stance against pre-emptive strikes against Iran. And the reasons behind that are.


1. Iran-Pak-India Gas pipe line:- Pakistan is facing dire energy consequences at home. And Iran is one of the biggest oil & gas producing country. Pakistan has no option, but to acquire cheaper gas from friendly country as compare to importing it from Qatar or other central Asian country. IPI is more feasible to Pakistan than others pipe lines from central Asian countries, it will not only reduce the energy needs but also provide the economic benefits in shape of Transit duties from India.


2. Large Population of Shias in Pakistan:- As I already discussed that Pakistan has a large population of Shia at home. Any adventure of USA in Iran will create the serious troubles for Pakistan. We have already learnt lesson from 1979 Afghanistan war when millions of refuges came to Pakistan, but never returned home. Which has created serious troubles for Pakistan now.


3. Internal problems: - On one border it is fighting Taliban menace, on the other Indian. Its internal problems, like Balochistan and NWFP, have totally saturated its Army in those regions. Therefore Pakistan can’t afford any other turmoil on its 3rd border. On the other hand recent blasts on shia population in the sacred month of Muharam can further fan the fire if Iran is attacked. Therefore Pakistan has to think consciously about the Iran-USA war.

4. Pakistan could be Next:- It is need of the hour for Pakistan to think impartially and don’t follow west, because west in general and USA in particular can’t be trusted. They have their own interests and we should not fall prey to their lust for oil and power. If today they are with us tomorrow they will scratch our back. Therefore Pakistan must take strict steps, not to let their foreign policy mold, under pressure from USA and others.

I think there could be various other reasons too, which forbid Pakistan not to follow west.



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