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We have nukes, But no power.....But still we have NUKES.
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we have nukes but haven't power to use them, we are 7th in atomic power consolidation but we are running by power cut, we are silent cry, we are emblem of misery, we are free but not yet at all, we have senses but being blind, deff and dumb is our scruitiny, we can touched can touched by nukes but haven't power to use them...!!! ahhh alas...!!!
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we have nukes but haven't power to use them, we are 7th in atomic power consolidation but we are running by power cut, we are silent cry, we are emblem of misery, we are free but not yet at all, we have senses but being blind, deff and dumb is our scruitiny, we can touched can touched by nukes but haven't power to use them...!!! ahhh alas...!!!
This Energy problem is a very temporary problem and can be solved in 2 to 3 years , lets say at the max 5 years , but you know, worlds best nations have spend decades, almost half a century to achieve the NUCLEAR technology, but you know they have FAILED.
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@Tehman name these countries that put their decades and 50z and yet not successful...???When Pakistan decided for declaration of being atomic power and a atomic blasts as a counter reply to lndia, but a number of Muslim nations as Saudi Arabia, Iran the closes neighbour refused any brethren assisstance, and even never they felt to appreciate Pak as an atomic power. lts a main reason that Muslim countries not yet united and inflicting in the hand of western mafia.
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We have nukes, But no power.....But still we have NUKES.
Nukes are to avoid traditional warfare. In days of peace nukes have no worth. In case of Pakistan we are encountering guerilla warfare waged by Al-Qaeda and Taliban. Nukes are powerless in present circumstances.
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I) Nuclear energy is an important contributor for power sector, providing about 13% electricity worldover. Countries having nuclear power are using its energy for generation of electricity e.g. France is getting more than 70% of its energy from nuclear power, India is generating 4780 MW from its 6 nuclear power plants, China is having four nuclear plants with continuous expansion and by 2020 it will be generating around 80 GW by this sector and will become the highest user of nuclear power, USA is getting 20% of its energy from this sector and so on. Nuclear energy is not costly in terms of its raw material but its maintenance, safety and solid waste management costs are high.


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This Energy problem is a very temporary problem and can be solved in 2 to 3 years , lets say at the max 5 years , but you know, worlds best nations have spend decades, almost half a century to achieve the NUCLEAR technology, but you know they have FAILED.
II) If this is discussion on usage of nuclear resource for the energy, then I think those countries have not failed (have a look at statistical data at para 1, with references at bottom of this post).


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@Tehman name these countries that put their decades and 50z and yet not successful...???When Pakistan decided for declaration of being atomic power and a atomic blasts as a counter reply to lndia, but a number of Muslim nations as Saudi Arabia, Iran the closes neighbour refused any brethren assisstance, and even never they felt to appreciate Pak as an atomic power. lts a main reason that Muslim countries not yet united and inflicting in the hand of western mafia.
III) Many Muslim countries including Saudi Arabia helped Pakistan with kind and cash during its tough times for the cause of nukes. Pakistan also remained exchanging its nuclear technology with Iran ( it is entirely another story what happened to this exchange program)..

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Nukes are to avoid traditional warfare. In days of peace nukes have no worth. In case of Pakistan we are encountering guerilla warfare waged by Al-Qaeda and Taliban. Nukes are powerless in present circumstances.
IV). In days of peace, nukes have worth, because they keep a deterrence from possibility of any attack.

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http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/Cu.../#.UaYsyDWwpdg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economi...r_power_plants
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_India
http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/Cu.../#.UaYsxDWwpdg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_China
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_France
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of...city_by_source
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Nuclear technology plays vital role to prevent the war. As a front-line Muslim state it was important for Pakistan to counter the pressure of enemies and nuclear bombs raised the standard of Pakistan's security in international arena . those who were thinking to wipe out Pakistan from the map of the world were forced to rethink their agendas. This argument that we don't have energy so we shouldn't have bombs is insane. Instead of using nuclear technology to produce energy we are using it as a scapegoat to hide our inability to produce and explore energy sources. its like if I can't hear so I shouldn't speak or if I don't have hands I shouldn't have feet. I think instead of blaming nuclear technology we should concentrate on power generation.
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Nukes are to avoid traditional warfare. In days of peace nukes have no worth. In case of Pakistan we are encountering guerilla warfare waged by Al-Qaeda and Taliban. Nukes are powerless in present circumstances.
Dear first study Proactive doctrine operations.
Study in detail whats deterrence in relation to Pakistan Defence
COmpare Indian and Pakiastai FOrces, their intentions and our response.
Study why USA has not launched its JACKALS directly into our state.

Everything would be clear to you

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I) Nuclear energy is an important contributor for power sector, providing about 13% electricity worldover. Countries having nuclear power are using its energy for generation of electricity e.g. France is getting more than 70% of its energy from nuclear power, India is generating 4780 MW from its 6 nuclear power plants, China is having four nuclear plants with continuous expansion and by 2020 it will be generating around 80 GW by this sector and will become the highest user of nuclear power, USA is getting 20% of its energy from this sector and so on. Nuclear energy is not costly in terms of its raw material but its maintenance, safety and solid waste management costs are high.




II) If this is discussion on usage of nuclear resource for the energy, then I think those countries have not failed (have a look at statistical data at para 1, with references at bottom of this post).




III) Many Muslim countries including Saudi Arabia helped Pakistan with kind and cash during its tough times for the cause of nukes. Pakistan also remained exchanging its nuclear technology with Iran ( it is entirely another story what happened to this exchange program)..



IV). In days of peace, nukes have worth, because they keep a deterrence from possibility of any attack.

Sources:

http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/Cu.../#.UaYsyDWwpdg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economi...r_power_plants
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_India
http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/Cu.../#.UaYsxDWwpdg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_China
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_France
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of...city_by_source
Very rational and an outstanding analysis.
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We as a Nation should be proud of possessing the ''Nuclear Power'' the debate on energy crisis is totally different issue.

Pakistan will soon be a energy rich country InshALLAH! all we need is a sincere effort and proper planning to make our country an energy rich country of the world.

Many have sacrificed their precious time and social life for the preparation/protection of Pakistan's Nukes and are still working hard for the safety of this precious gift of ''Nuclear Power'', we should not underestimate the ongoing benefits of this technology and/or should not take it for granted!!!!


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IV). In days of peace, nukes have worth, because they keep a deterrence from possibility of any attack.
Yes I have stated already that Nukes are to avoid traditional warfare.

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Dear first study Proactive doctrine operations.
Study in detail whats deterrence in relation to Pakistan Defence
COmpare Indian and Pakiastai FOrces, their intentions and our response.
Study why USA has not launched its JACKALS directly into our state.

Everything would be clear to you


I replied in context of your statement that we have nukes but still powerless. Yes Nukes are powerless against Al-Qaeda and Taliban. Traditional warfare is now out of question even USA avoids it even when they are fighting with no-Nuclear powers i.e Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan. They only used Air Force and financed Guerilla groups to do the rest. I am not saying that we should abhor Nukes. I am just saying that Nukes have done what they were designed for. In present circumstances Power doesn't only lie in Nukes. We should find another means to powerify ourselves.
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