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Democracy is the best form of govt.

Let us discuss "is really Democracy is the best form of govt?" if it is, then how? Being a democratic state, why Pakistan is unable to maintain real democratic culture? If we see our beloved politicians, who are called democratic heros and heroins , they fight one an another like dash in holy assemblies and in talk shows. Every parties' representative tries his/her best to make his/her party best one in front of the public...is it democracy? if some one is very sincere to our country, then he/she is killed in the name of so called target killing, bombing and so on? is it the part of democracy? Apart from these, if we see political parties in their speeches, they just make us fool, nothing more than that, because they usually doe not fulfill their promises to relief the public. In this regard there are many instances. We have seen the speeches of prominent leaders they say that after getting the support of public, the will be making beautiful houses on moon, there will be no laodsheding, target killing, socioeconomic problems and so on? Indeed, we live on moon, where there is no light, no food, no right to live alive in true manner! We are just living in a jungle, their is no rule of law, there is injustice and unfair culture is on apex...

Is this democracy? if it this is really democracy then "is democracy is the best form of govt?"
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I dont believe that democracy is the best form of govt. Democracy is actually plutocracy i.e rule of the rich.We can observe that in this system only rich can contest in elections. Rich which are socialised in rich environment cannot feel the miseries of the poor. moreover, democracy counts heads only and not experties and abilities.In this system even an illiterate person can become a member of the parliment and legislate for you.If majority says that ''A'' is right then he is right no matter he is right or wrong.

For example in USA homosexuality is allowed by law no matter how unnatural it is.
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How democracy can strengthen in a country like Pakistan. Pakistan is unique country where the provinces are made on ETHNIC basis, political parties also acquire major portion of votes from their ETHNICITY. Like, PML N punjab, PPP sindh, ANP KP, nationalist parties from Balochistan. Also there are not equal share in the National Assembly.
This picture is a bitter fact.
First the nation is divided into different ethinicities and now it es expected to behave as a single nation. This is pardonably impossible.
Establishment should envisage its national policies so as the structure of the country can be able to digest DEMOCRACY.
Though the term DEMOCRACY is still debatable because it is also BIASED.
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I dont believe that democracy is the best form of govt. Democracy is actually plutocracy i.e rule of the rich.We can observe that in this system only rich can contest in elections. Rich which are socialised in rich environment cannot feel the miseries of the poor. moreover, democracy counts heads only and not experties and abilities.In this system even an illiterate person can become a member of the parliment and legislate for you.If majority says that ''A'' is right then he is right no matter he is right or wrong.

For example in USA homosexuality is allowed by law no matter how unnatural it is.
It means politicians are making us fool! Indeed, it is ground reality. As a matter of fact, most of the politicians are uneducated, they even don't know about our constitutions, human rights and other related things e.g politics tactics, diplomacy. If in a parliament, a bill has been debated regarding a particular purpose whether it is positive or negative, they won't analyze it and will accept or reject it that "A" bill would passed or not!.... But, how this problem can be tacked, how to kick out the illiterate and corrupt politician, what would you suggest guys?

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How democracy can strengthen in a country like Pakistan. Pakistan is unique country where the provinces are made on ETHNIC basis, political parties also acquire major portion of votes from their ETHNICITY. Like, PML N punjab, PPP sindh, ANP KP, nationalist parties from Balochistan. Also there are not equal share in the National Assembly.
This picture is a bitter fact.
First the nation is divided into different ethinicities and now it es expected to behave as a single nation. This is pardonably impossible.
Establishment should envisage its national policies so as the structure of the country can be able to digest DEMOCRACY.
Though the term DEMOCRACY is still debatable because it is also BIASED.
Well, first of all, really good analysez. Let me know these things?

1-Are we really one nation in true sense?

2-If not, how we can be one nation, as a matter of fact, if we see our current democratic government, every body has voted his/her own representative whether their representative is an angel or devil person. They people do not care this! This is what I say is sheep mentality, illiteracy and we are living in stone ages, where people don't know just want their own representative whether he/she is good or bad!

3-How "he term DEMOCRACY is still debatable because it is also BIASED" please through light on this thing in detail?

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democracy is a immense form of govt but it is very slow to move, but it is a fact that when it will take motion it is impossible to halt it, democracy mean, liberty, and equality, where it exist it mean democracy exist . and in our nation these things are for away....
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democracy is a immense form of govt but it is very slow to move, but it is a fact that when it will take motion it is impossible to halt it, democracy mean, liberty, and equality, where it exist it mean democracy exist . and in our nation these things are for away....
"Is democracy is the best form of government" if yes/no, then how? Please elaborate it in detail?
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Islamic democracy is the best form of government : aka Khilafat .
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Democracy is the best form of govt.

Let us discuss "is really Democracy is the best form of govt?" if it is, then how? Being a democratic state, why Pakistan is unable to maintain real democratic culture? If we see our beloved politicians, who are called democratic heros and heroins , they fight one an another like dash in holy assemblies and in talk shows. Every parties' representative tries his/her best to make his/her party best one in front of the public...is it democracy? if some one is very sincere to our country, then he/she is killed in the name of so called target killing, bombing and so on? is it the part of democracy? Apart from these, if we see political parties in their speeches, they just make us fool, nothing more than that, because they usually doe not fulfill their promises to relief the public. In this regard there are many instances. We have seen the speeches of prominent leaders they say that after getting the support of public, the will be making beautiful houses on moon, there will be no laodsheding, target killing, socioeconomic problems and so on? Indeed, we live on moon, where there is no light, no food, no right to live alive in true manner! We are just living in a jungle, their is no rule of law, there is injustice and unfair culture is on apex...

Is this democracy? if it this is really democracy then "is democracy is the best form of govt?"
for successful democracy, first of all we have to create that required environmrnt which is necessary for its growth and nourishment. we have to determine those factors which are vital for democratic process in any country. if we meet those conditions and factors, then we may have good and stable democracy. in my perception, there is no wrong with the system of democracy. it is working successfully in more than half of the countries of the world and have created peace and stability in those countries.

the following are the keys conditions/factors necessary to be there, if democracy is to run there.

a. economic stability
b. 100% literacy rate
c. poticial consciousness/awarness among the people.
d.constitutionality
e.fair and free electoral system is also key to this process.
f. safety and security of life and property/law and order

now all of us can ask from ourselve, can we meet these conditions. the answer will be negative. first we all must endeaver to creat these conditions and then expect for success of democracy.

criticism and correction by the seniors will be highly appreciated and warmly welcomed.
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It means politicians are making us fool! Indeed, it is ground reality. As a matter of fact, most of the politicians are uneducated, they even don't know about our constitutions, human rights and other related things e.g politics tactics, diplomacy. If in a parliament, a bill has been debated regarding a particular purpose whether it is positive or negative, they won't analyze it and will accept or reject it that "A" bill would passed or not!.... But, how this problem can be tacked, how to kick out the illiterate and corrupt politician, what would you suggest guys?



Well, first of all, really good analysez. Let me know these things?

1-Are we really one nation in true sense?

2-If not, how we can be one nation, as a matter of fact, if we see our current democratic government, every body has voted his/her own representative whether their representative is an angel or devil person. They people do not care this! This is what I say is sheep mentality, illiteracy and we are living in stone ages, where people don't know just want their own representative whether he/she is good or bad!

3-How "he term DEMOCRACY is still debatable because it is also BIASED" please through light on this thing in detail?
i am 100 n 10 % agree with u, because our politics is based uopn personalization and common man usually gives vote to those who fullfil his needs or make a thing work possible for him.

talking of democracy let me make one thing very clear that it needs basic three essentials, education,awareness and awakening. another thing that i would like to discuss is this in muslim ummah, democracy cannot work for two reasons,1 is our political background is far distinct from democracy, if we study the history of islam, we had khulfa like banu ummayads and banu abbasiyyads. wh used to live like monarchs thats how khilafat came to turkey and all know its story of salaman magnificient and kamal atta turk.. so we are basically supressed ummah we like to be governed.

2ndly it is also a fact that, democracy is suitable for western nations, as it fufills their national interests. it is originated in west and it works primarily their rules. arab spring events of recent years is prime example of it. there every wesstern state wanted to have democracy still no use,we see riots, and conflicts over there.

now come to pakistan, Pakistan is basically decolonized state from UK. it has its own problems to be faced since independence.. from very begining we we were enstrangled into issue of having which kind a of constitution, federal or confederation... now talking of democracy no fault comes to PAKISTAN. but it is fault on our behalf and the people whom we think are "best" for us.. we are having same "GHULAMANA" soch ... first we were supressed by british rule who idnt allow muslims of subcontinent to get education. it qwas because of fear that they had in their mind, as they had snatched rule from muslims... same case came to our wadheras and chahudrys who in order to put their influence upon their peasants and farmers dont want them to be educated.. it is because once they become educated they will surely get to know of their rights, basic essential rights. and this thing will create trouble for wadheras... so whom to vote is above the common sense of the common people.

knowledge=education=enlightenment
this is the thing we are missing from our socio-political scenerio. unless we our people get enlightenment, they will not be able to ditinguish b/w 'right person to vote' and 'wrong person to vote' ...
than social grooming and political knowledge is also neccessary for making democracy successful. social stratas and provincialism is breaking the main stream of unity among people of Pakistan.. punjabis hate sindhis, mohajar and pathans have their own conflicts to be settle, baloachistan is almost outccaste from nation main stream. that makes national unity just a dream... so how a government will govern and educate such divided and distorted nation.. soney pe sohaga they themselves need education yet..
just chalk out the list of USA PRESIDENTS, AND U will find most of them are lawyers and middle class man, starting frOM Abrahm Lincoln to Baracck Obama, all are belonged to middle class family.. and neither of them are having any kinda political background.
another thing to be noticed is, there is law concerning turns and tenure of presidentship a person can get. no one is allowed to be president of USA, more than 2times. and what is happening over here, had we ever think of it. ???? than why to blame Pakistan or its governments. fault on our side is we are following two parties.. not giving chance to people who really want to give Pakistan a bright future... like Imran Khan.. we supported enlightened moderation of a dictator,but from where enlightenment comes.. remember, ??? knowledge=education=enlightenment.. enlightenment is noor, that is mentioned in quran as well, noor is Ilm, unless and until we dont have noor/Ilm/enlightenement we cannot come out of darkness that is with us from last 65 or so years... and this is the basic reason we are having sheepy mentality.
we are always been followers, and will remain same(say InshaAllahhaha: ) because hum lakeer k fakeer hain, munir nyazi ne kaha tha"aik muqarar had se agey soch na sakta tha dil mera, hum pe hot fit bethta hai.

we need to go beyond boundaries.. what our ancestors did.. they go to different staes and made new ways of exploring the world... and did we do is just as what joan alia said that, dunya k dastrkhawan pe pichle 50 saalon mai humne sirf jhk mari hai... and its a truth. we accept ayub khan, zia ul haq and musharraf .. we always welcome two most favourite parties, PPP PML(N). but it nots our fault.. we are muslims, and we like to live in chains, we never dare to go beyond boundaries,we never think out of way... so we deserve this crippled democracy and economy...
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juda ho Deen Siast se to reh jaty hy Changezi"
that is our only problem, we as a nation have a long lasting impact of slavery on our minds, and we do not want the real solution of the problem. Every ruler who comes with promises, turns to fulfill his unending desire or lust of power.
Democracy is a good slogan here in Pakistan but its not in its true sense
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