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I think Muslim world in this situation need sincere leadership which lead them to come out from such crisis. Due to lack of leadership Muslims of all over the world are divided in groups and tribes and that is a plus point for those nations which is against Muslims and Islam. As in Islam there is no liberal and other any kind of definition but here every one have his own definition of Islam no one is ready to follow the basic principles of Islam which is a key of success in today's world. The third problem is those leaders who are willing to promote Islamic ideology of a state is in a hurry and they don't even try to prepare an environment for common Muslims to be familiar with their religion willingly and with whole heart. Muslim leaders should set together and prepare an environment which is helpful for Islamic education and people come to gain this knowledge willingly not by force so they will be able to tackle such kind of situations as seen in Egypt and other Muslim countries now a days.
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Mixing religion with politics is not the issue as matfq has pointed, nither is it true that Islam has no say in politics as Bilal has said. The problem emerges when you start using religion as a political card or when someone try to buy allegiance of the people in the name of religion. Muslim's history is replete with such examples.
One cannot compel people to adhere to Shariah, liberals should be given space and everyone has to be taken on board irrespective of thier religious views. Even if Morsi was truly sincere with the cause, he should have dealt it with prudence and patience. It is true that Brotherhood inherited a devastated country, but if media reports are to believed, he didnt try to metigate the miseries of common people instead he was busy in accumulating powers and making Brotherhood a fortress.
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The policies Morsi was trying to implement were not at all wrong and were perfectly inline with Shariah. His motives were right and so were his actions. BUT in his alacrity to introduce the Islamic reforms lie the seeds of his destruction, he must have gone nice and slow. He must have been perspicacious in his policies. I agree. But one thing, he was given majority mandate and it was the right of Brotherhood to be given a chance to rule, their success was hard won and was the result of a long struggle. Is it right for the army to oust a democratically elected government just for the sake that they have proclivities for Islam? Never, this is illegal and by every means undemocratic. But let us be pragmatic and realistic, What if Morsi had gone slow and gradually introduced the Islamic policies, would he be given a chance? Never friends, In current world order imposed by the only Superpower which has hegemonic designs for any "Muslim" government, there is no room for a state that is run by Islamic laws. Taliban were ousted for the same reason and the fate of Iraq and Libya is not different...Morsi, no matter if he had waited would have had the same fate.
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tajmeer (Wednesday, August 21, 2013) |
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Besides that, we cannot disregard many other underlying factors. Since the dawn of the revolution, the Egyptian protesters were practically leaderless. To fill this void, Muslim Brotherhood entered the fray with their own vested interests to win over the public. However, I am quite certain that the desperate protesters had no idea what they were in for when supporting Muslim Brotherhood. And when the presidential elections came, they found themselves in the situation of coming out of the pan and into the fire. With either Morsi or the ex-prime minister of Mubarak Regime to vote for, the presidential election for Egyptians was tantamount to choosing between a rock and a hard place. Had there been a leader with clear vision and foresight, things could have turned out quite differently. Perhaps someone with the spirit of forming an Islamic state, but with due consideration of being moderate with implementation of Islamic policies. Also brothers let us not be put down by the designs of the schemers. Remember what Allah (SWT) says about schemers (read the ayah in my signature). When the time is right, in sha Allah a true Muslim Government will be founded.
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The Army ousted the Morsi's elected government, for the reasons that are still unknown or don't make sense until you have a Liberal mind, Is it right to throw the baby out with bathwater? The mandate was given to Brotherhood not to Morsi, the army, if they had problems with Morsi's designs then they could have asked the Brotherhood to choose any other person as President. Launching the offensive against innocent people and annihilating them who were just asking for reinstatement of their elected President is so unjust, simply unscrupulous. True it is: واللہ خیر الماکرین Verily Allah is the Best Planner But would you let things unfold as these are being, and won't do anything considering Allah is the best planner? You have to prepare for your exam even Allah has planned for you the success.....Similarly we must be on guard against the ruses and stratagems of the Infidels, though what would happen is what Allah has planned and verily Allah is the Best Planner.
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matfq (Wednesday, August 21, 2013) |
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Don't get me wrong I am not only aware but also a believer in these facts. The rational world may require evidence though and thus we cannot just justify our conclusions due to lack of evidence in the case of Egypt. The Egyptian situation most certainly involves more complexity than just meets the eye. But the ground reality that we can work with is the fact that a vast majority of the Egyptians were unhappy with Morsi's regime and part of it was due to Morsi's impatient governance.
The massacre that has taken place and still continue to do is strongly condemn able. However, the fault not just lies with the Egyptian military as the "military arm" of the Muslim Brotherhood is also endangering civilians by literally using them as human shield. Hiding among civilians with guns to open fire at any time is a cowardice practice that is putting civilians at risks. My Egyptian friend, who is a very good practicing Muslim, put this situation in simple words. He simply asked if I ever saw pro-mubarak supporters carrying guns during the 2011 revolution or if I ever saw military open fire at protesters? What has changed? We can work out the the reasoning behind his statements. Civilians are innocent of any crime, but MB may not be as innocent as you think they are brother. Yes, it is a sad reality that there are times in war when civilians are considered expendable, and as Pakistani's we have seen a fair share of that in our "American" war against terror. It is a horrible horrible truth, we know because we are also victims of somewhat similar circumstances. There is nothing in my power to do anything about this situation but pray for the people of Egypt and educate and prepare myself for any calamity that may befall us. "In war, truth is the first casualty" so Allah knows best.
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liberal vs muslim brotherhood
It seems that trauma of Egyptian unrest is going to be worse in near future , because release of Husni Mubarak will berserk the situation or else liberals are making way to deter the current situation which is indeed subtle and now this will be MORSi vs HUSNI match and rest of the world will enjoy the show.
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well i am of the view that religion and politics must not be mixed, Muslim brotherhood did the same and here are the consequences.furthermore,the tamarod movement was simply because of morsi's religious policies for example he ordered to close all commercial places by 10p.m so that people can wake up early for the morning prayer,in a city where traffic jam are observed at 2am.so if you impose such policies this will be its probable outcome, and same is the case of countries to deal through diplomacy which must not involve religion.
coming towards religion then there must be caliphate system following shariah law not a man-made constitution. and imf reject the call for help because morsi's govt was unable to meet the preconditions. |
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