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@fouzia
Dear you have provided a strange type of argument here. I feel it my duty to point out certain things in it that I think might be seen in another way as well. Quote:
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A few clarifications...
@ second coming
I gave my comments in this thread only because if someone feel that western democracy is a great blessing and being muslims if we have an islamic state we can,t have it...... as far as my arguments and examples are concerned ,i have briefly discussed because of lack of time and at this moment again i can,t discuss in much detail.. but i would like to comment on few things... 1) The benifits u have mentioned are not only and only the result of western democracy.who has told u? In a true Islamic state people arenot kept deprived of these benefits...infact,it is responsibility of islamic state and rulers that people should avail themselves of these rights.. 2) as far as your second argument is concerned,sorry, i,m not able to understand it.. 3) Thirdly,i have not said that the rulers are infallible angels .... but atleast they are the representitives and responsibility lies on their shoulder,personally whatever they are..... so atleast they have to think what is right for public or not....but the pressure of public forces them.It,s a fact that common people are simple and innocent.they need right guidance by wise rulers.... 4) I have not read anywhere that islam encourages smoking.Infact Islam discourages it because smoking is dangerous for health and Islam doesn,t encourage any such thing that is dangerous for health as far as liquor is concerned,come on, everyone knows how dangerous it is. even those countries where it is allowed are aware of this fact.....u can consult from dr Zakir naik lecture in this matter.. i,m really surprised those great democracies banned smoking but not liquor... but it,s also very simple, public will kill their rullers if they ban liquor and i think,they would have banned smoking in public places. 5) Western society is so far from religion...ofcoures they donot come and tell me ...it,s obvious from the picture they present.... their great scholars of these days are a proof of it who are searching in this aspect that in which part of brain Ideas about God and religion lies so that they should be eliminated easily.... 6) Which terrible bills, well, i only mentioned because i Thought others would understand.. well,the bills regarding free sex,homosexuality etc..... surely the govt knows the disastrous result of these things...but if public demands and protests on roads ,what would the great democratic govt do??? 7) I Think my brief comments on how Islamic state works are enough.... as far as your comments about ruler in an Islamic state and his election are concerned ,he should be a wise ,learned and pious person but how did u presume that he should have a superhuman kind of sense......??? he can take guidance from quran and teachings of holy prophet MUHAMMAD(pbuh). I don,t think so that there is so much emphasis on the ruler.ruler can,t decide issues alone.he will have to consult from other selected representatives.... as far as this matter is concerned that how he should be selected and the problems mentioned by u arising from this matter...these shouldn,t seem big if handled properly......and if people really want an Islamic system. ruler and the other representatives could be selected by mutual union and consent of people and the ulemas....as far as small disputes are concerned, even the representitives in western domocracy have small disputes on issues among them... I think these comments will help in enlightening you.... |
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@fouzia
At last we seem to be reaching somewhere. I am not going to comment on your post until you have time enough to discuss my arguments in detail (as you said you havnt got time right now). Just the second argument which you said you were unable to understand. It was in response to your comments: Quote:
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Hope it's clear now.
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