Army is a defence institute at the very first place. Yes some pseudo and half-baked "intellectuals" like Ayesha Jalal try to portray Pak Army as a corporation running its operations and earning money by the virtue of their might and status in Pakistan. The one who has any doubt should consider scores of lives sacrificed by our army in defence of Pakistan. It is shameless to malign our defence institutes in such a critical time. Considering the regional situation and history, a powerful army is need of Pakistan. Just compare its performance and budget with those of Indian Army. You will realize where our army stands. ISI is the first line of defence of Pakistan and if someone tries to make it weaker he is just aiding our enemies.
As far as Hamid Mir's case is concerned, the role of GEO has been very detrimental for our national interest. It is the court that will decide who is real culprit. But the lot of anchorpersons of GEO think that they themselves are chief justice here and they DEMAND resignation of DG ISI to clear himself before their courts. It is ridiculous, isn't? Imagine just imagine one of the best intelligence agencies of the world could not get rid of one journalist. GEO should be banned and if PEMRA does not do it...Pakistanis themselves should stop watching this channel.

I'm sure you have no idea what pseudo-intellectual means so I'll not waste my time engaging you on that. If you think someone writing a book which is well researched and full with evidence and yet s/he is a "pseudo", you should confine yourself to real intellectual text books.

Moving on, it is my right as a tax paying citizen to know about all the details of where military is earning the money and how is it being spent. Banning the book, on the other hand, is a breach of my constitutional rights. But it seems you have no inkling of what constitutional right are, either.

No one is saying anything about the soldiers who have scarified their lives. No use being uselessly rhetorical. On a side note, more Pakistani citizens have died with violence than soldiers in wars. And most of them have died because of the patronage of extremism by military establishment.

Okay, here's a preliminary comparison for you: Indian army's performance is much better. They have won the wars, they have never derailed the democratic process, they have never murdered politicians and elected presidents, they don't run businesses instead of focusing on their jobs, they have never patronized extremism, and so on.

This is just a text book line with not a shred of evidence. I think ISI is one of the worst intelligence agencies of the world. Usually the intelligence agencies take their mess and dump it in other countries. Our agencies have been bringing the mess of other countries and dumping it in Pakistan, all the while turning a blind eye to terrorism on our soil, and actually patronizing it. If this makes it one of the best agencies, then surely Pakistan is a heaven on earth too. If anything, we can compare ISI to a mild version of Gestapo.

Usually I don't even like responding to empty rhetoric, the kind that you find in third rate evening Urdu papers, but I just could not resist responding to some of your "intellectual" points.

intelligence ppl are unsung heroes bro u r not aware of everything , somethings need to b under curtain..... ISI is the best in the world ....

Yeah, that sounds like a primary school exercise. Keep repeating it 100 times and it will become your truth. But that won't make it objectively true.

An intelligence agency is basically an agency that works for the government. Collection, analysis and exploitation of information and intelligence that later helps in national security, defense, enforcement of laws and defining foreign policy objectives; are some of the functions a good intelligence agency serves. Each country has its own distinct intelligence agency that has broad dimension and international networks. These agencies are also involved in recovery of most of the data about criminals. People working in these agencies are called as agents who are extremely devoted and involved with the state affairs. The agents of the Intelligence agencies also work and help in the recovery of the lost people in the world. Both overt and covert methods are used for gathering secret data -

Pakistan’s powerful Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) has received mix comments from Pakistan’s friends and enemies. ISI, like Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corp (IRGC) has been declared as a ‘torrorist organization’ by Hillary Clinton’s State Department. On April 25, 2011, British daily Guardian reported that in a 2007 secret files it obtained, Washington had declared ISI, Hizbullah and Hamas being a threat to the United States. We all know who could be the author of such anti-Muslim directive.

In April 2012, pro-Israel Jewish lobby, Anti-Defamation League blamed IRGC for all the Israeli Mossad’s false flag operations against Jewish and Israeli assets in Asia and South America.

On February 11, 2013, Nikhil Kumar, wrote on Zionist website, Combat Gears, while calling both ISI and Pakistan “terrorists”, acknowledged that ISI is the best intelligence agency in the world.

“ISI which operates for terrorist republic of Pakistan, is arguably the best intelligence agency in the world. It has successfuly co-ordinated many terrorist attacks on America, India, Israel and other non-terrorist countries,” wrote Kumar.

Just note how Kumar calls Israel a “non-terrorist” country even though it was established by several Jewish terrorist groups which were turned into ‘Israel Defence Force (IDF), by prime minister David Ben Gurion in 1949.

in 2011, several internet websites published ranking of World’s Top Ten Intelligence Agencies, based on their performance. They all rated Pakistan’s ISI at the top, followed by America’s CIA, Britain’s MI6, Russia’s FSB, France’s DGSE, Germany’s BND, Israel’s Mossad, India’s RAW, Australia’s ASIS and our Canadian CSIS.

On August 19, 2013, Indian journalist and political editor at The Times of India, Vinod Sharma, in a commentary at ‘Centre Right India’ lauded ISI as country’s formidable force.

One has got to admire Pakistan. Is there any other example in history where a small nation has simultaneously taken on two much bigger countries, one a super power (US) and the other deluding itself (India) into believing that it is going to become one along its present trajectory, for such a painful ride, for so long, with barely concealed disdain and deceit?

Pakistan’s audacity backed by sheer brilliance in execution is the stuff history is made of. That it has been able to pull off a seemingly impossible double is as much a tribute to its leaders, both military and civil, as to the one instrument without peer that they have created: the Inter Services Intelligence (ISI). This covert arm of the military has been developed and honed, with some help from the CIA in 1980s, to become a huge force multiplier that has almost re-written the rules of war. It is this institution alone that has given Pakistan the luxury of playing the Jekyll and Hyde game on battlefields of its choosing in a manner that it wants, without exposing its troops to danger and its culpability to the enemy.

Pakistan sees ISI as its first line of defence. What is often overlooked is that for its leaders, Pakistan includes Afghanistan and Kashmir too. So for the Pakistani establishment—both military and civil— the ISI is not engaged in any hostile or offensive actions there, like the Americans and the Indians believe. It is only legitimately defending Pakistan against their aggression and is fulfilling its patriotic duty to defeat and throw them out. Add to its armoury the powerful tool of jihad and you have brilliant and motivated minds employing perfectly brainwashed foot soldiers itching to fight to death or blow themselves up for a cause they are made to see as religious and holy, and not merely political.

When the US invaded Afghanistan after 9/11, it probably thought it was going for a stroll in a park bombed flat by it. Actually it would have. But it failed to factor in Pakistan’s tenacity and duplicity, or may be it chose to look the other way because expanding the war was not an option.

You are just copy-pasting wild (and hollow) praises about ISI from the internet. Nothing in your speech tells HOW ISI is such an efficient agency? What exactly has it done for the country?

I can't respond to meaningless khutbas.

bro its not for sake of khutbas m just quoting wot a foreign newspaper has written....as far as services of these unsung heroes are concern.. u may get to know abt a single blast but all those blasts which were stopped u don get a bit of it ...... its jus one side.....its the fore front of pak defense ...wot all achievements pak forces have achieved till date ISI has major contribution in it .....u have ur own opinion i do respect that but have respect for ur core institution as well that has sacrificed alot for the country.....cheers

For example, what achievements?

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Originally Posted by MOCHU Ex president Musharaf banned geo , forced the than chief justice to step down nd took action against the Molanas of Lal Masjid ......all proved to be the right decisions in present scenario but that time all actions were take as negative ones......Latest incident of Hamid Mir nd blame game of geo against ISI and Pak army showed the dark face of the geo network.....Do u guys think that GEo network should be banned totally for its evil deeds????

First of all there is nothing wrong if Hamid Mir criticizes army's role in country's politics, Balochistan and Bangladesh issues. There should be no sacred cow.

But few questions need to be answered.

1. If Geo has dying declaration of MIR, why are they reluctant to make it public?

2. MIR is stable now, Why is he not lodging FIR against ISI chief?

3. The way he was shot, it seems, it was done by amateurs.

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It is the first time that such hue and cry has been raised against isi on media. Earlier in the case of cheema it was doubted but finally it got a silent end. Now there are demands for judicial inquiry as well as production of evidences and whatever mir has to support his eleagation. But point here to consider is that we are in both cases having frings with two well reputed and established institutions of state. So the matter should not be dealt in a way 'blame against blame' but there should be a fair and free investigation to look where the shoe is pinching?

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