and why are men not able to earn enough income?

During my university days, one of the professors, told us that it is difficult for him to manage his budget and at that time he was earning around 1,50,000 per month. So, people are not earning low, its their demands and wishes which make them act as poor.

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I've also been reading dawn since one and a half year regularly. I think she strikes the right chords in this issue as well. I fell in love with her article "province for women", if u read her without biasness you will also love satire. this change is maybe due to a personal experience in her life and believe me it takes just one incident to change whole point of view of a person.
the comments posted in your thread are enough a prove that rafia is not blind wrong, considering, these are the views of educated youth

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Agree ; being a Pakistani woman also bring along some unique perks and privileges , you never need to stand in long queues ; people always trust/believe a woman more than a man in general , Men respond to women call for help to the best of their capacity , people always ready to lend a helping hand if you're in trouble , i myself belong to a village and its not like what is generally portrayed.there are both good and bad types of men here with respect to their women as we would find anywhere.so , it's right to point out women miseries and hardships in our society but it's also unfair to not to discuss the positive aspect of the issue !


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Yes, you are right. I am not here to show my hate to her. My writing is in itself proof that i am also reading her with interest rather than ignoring her articles.
So, whats the issue the main crux is that Pakistani Men are not busy in hating her women. This article is not about women empowerment, it is about the respect which Pakistani women enjoy in such abyss critical, complex, fabricated situation which might other don't have.

Maybe you have read too much about women empowerment and you have got bored.

This topic seeks most of my attention.

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Originally Posted by Ahmedmalik I have been reading DAWN since last two years and become fond of this. The writer which attracts me the most is Rafia Zakria. The logic prevails in her arguments and the magic of her words conveyed her thought unambiguous. But now my thinking about the writer has changed. I think she has confined herself in a castle of thoughts whose walls are painted with women miseries and with menace and barbarism of Pakistani men. "Is the Pakistan becomes a hell for women?"my answer is with Big No. The above proposition can also be second by noticing in our surrounding. In Pakistan Women are serving in all sectors. she has reached the Premier office to the summit of Everest. without the co-operation of men it can't be possible. There are giant amount of evidences of women respect in the society of Pakistan. The honored delivered to Arfa karim is one of the best example. So, why the writer trying to portray the image of Pakistan as a Men Menacing with women. Yes, i admit that some insanity prevails in our society which was neither the part of our religion nor our culture.These hazards come due to injustice prevails in our country rather than men dominance. Dawn is also read by international readers. so it should much need to stop insulting Pakistan. (I wrote this to dawn letter to editor which they didn't publish yet)

What do you expect from a sensitive writer in a country which has been ranked 3rd on the list of most dangerous countries for women?

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Originally Posted by waqas izhar Businesswoman she was, yes, but never went out to the market. women accompanied men to the battlefields, yes, but it was a tradition among Arabs. two they went in the capacity of housewives. nurses etc. how many women you can name who actually fought? Mother of Hazrat Musa was hired as a nurse. didn't need to serve without a roof. all I am saying is that women served in 'particular' capacities. not all jobs as is the trend today.

There is no text in the Qur’an or the authentic Hadith which prevents or makes it prohibited for a woman to do any work, as long as it is not unlawful.

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Originally Posted by waqas izhar the only difference between today and the ancient era is 'electricity'. rest 'everything' is the same.

What to do you want to say? please elaborate.

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Originally Posted by waqas izhar the modern education system is a result of industrialization. which requires specialized labour. have all the men been employed? men who are responsible for their complete family. so why are women being employed who is responsible only for herself. employment of a man means welfare of a family. employment of a woman means welfare of an individual. 60% of our population lives below poverty line and you think welfare of individuals is progress? regards

So stop educating women & allow men to have C-section of pregnant women.

Confine women into four walls & allow men to plead for raped women.

Ludicrous!

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nothing is impossible in religion unless it is logically self contradictory. read the last four verses of sura e tehreem


socially, psychologically, intellectually, spiritually man is the same. what is then the difference between today and yesterday. take out electricity and analyse its impacts.




pardon but when did i say that men will do c sections. employment is something else. education is something else.

ideally women are supposed to be more educated than men. in the socio economic context of our country where men are mostly responsible for their families employing men in the workplace would mean a quicker declination in poverty and illiteracy rate. increase in education would lead to decrease in violence against women. getting it brother?
in a way women themselves stand indirectly against women .

to clear things up. i am the kind of guy who believes that women are to be respected by virtue of their existence. and men are to respected by virtue of their work. men are supposed to be chivalrious and women are supposed to be graceful.

anything else?

regards

for me a society fails if its women have to earn for themselves.
all women who cannot take care of themselves financially are the responsibility of the state. i do not likw that a woman is sitting on the roadside selling miswaks.

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Originally Posted by waqas izhar nothing is impossible in religion unless it is logically self contradictory. read the last four verses of sura e tehreem

What is relevance of your this statement in response to my point? Please quote exact verse which prohibits women to work or earn.

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Originally Posted by waqas izhar socially, psychologically, intellectually, spiritually man is the same. what is then the difference between today and yesterday. take out electricity and analyse its impacts.

All are evolving by every second except people of this part of planet.

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Originally Posted by waqas izhar pardon but when did i say that men will do c sections. employment is something else. education is something else.

So who will ease out a woman in a critical condition--Male doctor?

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Originally Posted by waqas izhar ideally women are supposed to be more educated than men. in the socio economic context of our country where men are mostly responsible for their families employing men in the workplace would mean a quicker declination in poverty and illiteracy rate. increase in education would lead to decrease in violence against women. getting it brother?

No, I am not getting your faulty logic. How could this country excel if we keep neglecting the rights of about half of this country’s population? Education & Employment are fundamental rights of citizens irrespective of their gender.

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Originally Posted by waqas izhar to clear things up. i am the kind of guy who believes that women are to be respected by virtue of their existence. and men are to respected by virtue of their work. men are supposed to be chivalrious and women are supposed to be graceful. anything else? regards

If a gal is Doctor/Lawyer/Csp etc, nothing diminishes her grace. Trust me.

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