Fasting or Starvation? - Page 7

ADIL KHESHGI · #61 Sunday, July 06, 2014

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Originally Posted by sadiakanwal

Mr Adil I would say it is not a ritual to fast, people fast for seeking blessings, the only issue is that they separate religion from worldly affairs. To show off piety we don't need to fast, we can simply pretend to fast and eat within precincts of our home so its not a ritual at all. The issue is that we believe we are feeling for poor, we are helping them through food, clothing etc and we are praying etc so the purpose is served. Fasting teaches Sabar and we are learning that too, we are avoiding sins and backbiting too. You see what is the missing link? We exclude our business from the picture completely. We are selling at higher prices simply because profit margin is to be maintained. Our hoarding and price hikes are the market norm and we can't help against it. notice that religious teachings are nowhere in such arguments. Simple as that.

To conclude we need to learn the application of religious teachings in our worldly affairs. We need to learn to create balance between ibaadat and muamlaat rather than treating them separately.

In Islam, means are as important as ends. People do fast for spiritual blessings but most of them fail to bridle their nature, I mean fast without the observance of its code is no fast at all. Soul is important, one has to understand the philosophy of fasting and act accordingly. If one is unable to fulfill the criteria then his fast may correctly be called a sham. Regards

FAIRUFF · #62 Sunday, July 06, 2014

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Originally Posted by waqas izhar

if you want to know whether you are a hypocrite then there is a simple test. if you think are a hypocrite, then you aren't! might sound paradoxical but it is true.

Indeed, it is....

every human being has weaknesses. every human is gregarious. every human wants to be praised. the levels vary among individuals. all we ought to do is identify these weaknesses in us and curb them.

anything else?

So actually being gregarious is like 'Riya Kari' or ' dhikhlawa'. Yes, for sure we cannot take it for hypocrisy.

ADIL KHESHGI · #63 Sunday, July 06, 2014

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Originally Posted by waqas izhar

so may be called hypocrites. usually we do not perform salat because we think we are hypocrites. funny because salat is the cure for hypocrisy

, and you might be confusing hypocrisy with gregariousness

regards

Price Magistrates fine shopkeepers for adulteration (Poor quality of products), so the quality of prayers our people perform is nothing short of a substandard product. Do your own maths for its consequences. I believe that even if our people perform prayers in a way that prayers deserve, then we won't be having this discussion today. Regards

abraham · #64 Sunday, July 06, 2014

Nation who adopt Sincerity, follow the rules, regulations and disciplines, show the acts of truthfulness and humanity will definitely lead the world no matter either they are Muslim or Non-Muslim. These are the teachings of Islam, which are adopted by Non-Muslims, instead of Muslims

. Contrary to this, Non-Muslims don't have belief. This make Muslims superior than Non-Muslims .
Fast doesn't mean to be starve. Fast mean to earn inner satisfaction by following the teachings of Quran and Sunnah.

waqas izhar · #65 Monday, July 07, 2014

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Originally Posted by ADIL KHESHGI

I believe that even if our people perform prayers in a way that prayers deserve, then we won't be having this discussion today. Regards

Hmmm... don't you think that societies where people say prayers even as a ritual or a culture are better than societies where people don't say prayers at all?

the purpose of the prayer is self correction in daily muamlat. yes people have forgotten that but at least their conscience does prick. imagine the consequences of dead consciences.

in societies where people don't say prayers but take care of humanity are still in danger of losing that humanity too. i recently met a doctor in nanophysics and he asserted that the rich are rich and the poor are poor and you have no responsibility towards the poor. he was according to him being 'pragmatic' and 'rational'.

didn't the saints of the subcontinent attempt to make Islam a part of our culture? although we have kept that culture confined to rituals but i would say that is still part of the job done.

regards

mhmmdkashif · #66 Tuesday, July 08, 2014

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Originally Posted by ADIL KHESHGI

Price Magistrates fine shopkeepers for adulteration (Poor quality of products), so the quality of prayers our people perform is nothing short of a substandard product. Do your own maths for its consequences. I believe that even if our people perform prayers in a way that prayers deserve, then we won't be having this discussion today. Regards

Pakistan has always been ruled by kleptocratic regimes whether military or civilian, and the consequences are obvious, people living under kleptocratic regimes will find it very difficult to practice morality and ethics so how can they offer quality prayers instead of substandard ones

. Price Magistrates themselves are organs of the kleptocratic government of the time.

Mazhar Ali Khokhar · #67 Tuesday, July 08, 2014

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Originally Posted by FAIRUFF

In my opinion, " love for wealth" is the only major cause of decline of our relegious beliefs.

It is not the love for wealth rather it is lust for wealth which is the main cause of corruption , decoicy looting and increased prices.

tajmeer · #68 Tuesday, July 08, 2014

Lust for wealth come from envy and from show up. When we see others that they have a car a banglow and other wealth so we become jealous and that is the main cause of searching only for wealth and we want to go for that beyond our limits, and it becomes the main cause of corruption,mismanagement,theft and a lots of other crimes in our society. Fast is the main source to stop us from these crimes but today we Muslim do it also just for show up and not for the happiness of our Almighty Allah.

Mazhar Ali Khokhar · #69 Tuesday, July 08, 2014

@buddha

Is there any difference between envy and jealousy.

khan00734 · #70 Wednesday, July 09, 2014

We are not corrupt only and neither shopkeepers actually we as a customer addicted to this kind of injustices,business mostly rely on chances and oppertunities to double its profits. What the government is for ? why do we need an authority ?

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