The question was of spiritual nature not temporal. So this argument is irrelevent.

our economic system is interest based. taking and giving interest is waging war against Allah. According to a Hadith its sin is like commiting incest with one's mother. you are looking for spirituality in such a society?

Economic man is western suppusition too. the economic man is a result of positive materialistic economics. if profits are to made by deaths, the economic man has no problem with it. islam assumes a moral man. and the moral man has to be inspired through education, you can't judge people's morals.

law of social morals? whose invention is this?

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Farmers, middlemen, shopkeepers et al., all are responsible and all of them should be blamed for their violation of fasting law. Your point is supportive of my previous comment. If, according to you, spirituality is a cry in wilderness in such a society and is an impractical approach then why fasting? Because fast is for spiritual blessing......... Secondly social morals builds the decorum of a society, it is the outcome of your religious, social, economic, and you name it, morality. When these moralities interact with each others, an overall morality comes into being which is itself a combination of morals and they're called social morals. P.S: Read Johm Stuart Mill & Jeremy Bentham.

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Well I believe no matter what the level of corruption and interest based economy etc is there, if Allah has blessed us with such a month and motivated us to fast and pray and help others with ten folds reward then I think it speaks for itself; Allah is not disappointed of his people. At least some would get spiritual purity. At least a month long routine of obedience and attempt to avoid sins and attempt to help others would purify some hearts and may be it would become routine habit for at least few people for the whole year.

When everyone tries to gather blessings, many people learn about the purpose of fasting as well. Very few people fast for showing off to people or as ritual because this can be done through lying that we are fasting why starve? Those who fast they fear Allah and want to gather blessings and it is not wrong at all. When we are hungry we feel the pain of a hungry man and we attempt to help the hungry and needy people plus increased reward motivates us to do so. While this should continue, it is baseless to say that just because this behavior is not sustained, it should be abolished in Ramdan as well.

It is not wrong to talk about inflation, poverty and religion throughout Ramdan only, because the poor when they fast for whole day, they become weak and need nourishment and the increased prices make it impossible to achieve it. During other months price hike is not as severe and the need is also less severe because people are not starved and dehydrated. Same goes for clothing etc because they are needed for Eid festival and increased prices affect in the time of need.

the remedies are not just economical, they are legal as well because yes former and the middleman and everyone else has no right to take law in their own hands and increase prices for their own good. yes government needs to control it and the economic benefits would come when we eradicate the exploitation culture.

but building social morals is a function of education, not of law. or am i wrong?
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i think for the poor there is no difference whether is ramzan or october. we need a permanent solution. not a monthly one.
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@ waqas izhar

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True, social morals are built by law but there is something called social pressure which makes people abide by morals even if they don't want and it can come from law. "It is required by law and everyone is doing it and so I have no choice" type of thing.

Secondly, you say we need a permanent solution then it comes from regulation and eradication of exploitation culture. All over the world, festivals and religious events are marked by price cuts, sales and subsidies but in our beloved motherland it is the opposite. Believe me it is the exploitation of the need and for poor Ramadan is tougher than October. In October prices are not as high and you could eat and drink during day so not dehydrated but in Ramadan fasting increases need for soothing drinks and nourishing food. After whole day of fasting you want to eat some fruit, some spicy food. Have you ever fasted in such a manner that at the end of day you just have water or at the maximum some sharbat on your disposal for iftar and then you just eat roti and have no salan with it? If you ever had, only then you can realize why a price cut is more essential in Ramadan. It also have social standing because when everyone has a table filled with eatables and when day long fast increases your longing for some spicy food and some cold feast, then you feel especially deprived. Yes, there are people who go to local mosques for Iftar but then there are those who cannot go. The world is full of deprived people and we need to understand that it is essential to bring the things within reach of poor. Potato should be cheap enough so that poor can cook a bhujia for iftar and sehar.

sister I am saying that building social morals is a job for the education sector. that would be the permanent solution because then you will not need special laws for the month of Ramzan.

secondly, this feeling that everyone has for the poor suddenly erupts in the month of Ramzan and that i think is one of the purposes of this month. but then this feeling gets diluted after Ramzan and we are back at square zero. do you then think that the purpose of this month is truly fulfilled because the poor are still poor after ramzan. the meaningful solution should be permanent and not Ramzan sensitive. and those solutions are economic not legal. mark that i am including education in economic solutions.

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Originally Posted by waqas izhar sister I am saying that building social morals is a job for the education sector. that would be the permanent solution because then you will not need special laws for the month of Ramzan. secondly, this feeling that everyone has for the poor suddenly erupts in the month of Ramzan and that i think is one of the purposes of this month. but then this feeling gets diluted after Ramzan and we are back at square zero. do you then think that the purpose of this month is truly fulfilled because the poor are still poor after ramzan. the meaningful solution should be permanent and not Ramzan sensitive. and those solutions are economic not legal. mark that i am including education in economic solutions. regards

Why are you unable to understand that prices of essential commodities have witnessed almost 50 percent increase in Ramadan so far. That unjustifiable increase is creating ruinous effects on have-not.

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So what to do then? Apply price ceilings? That will only lead to hoarding.

What next? The government should subsidise these commodities. That will only lead to higher sales tax after ramzan. Which means distributing the misery over a longer duration of time and we will be back to subsidising next ramzan.
What to do?