Dear Madam Last Island,

You didn't address my reservations.You removed my thread of reply before removing your sacrilegious & contemptuous thread.

"http://www.cssforum.com.pk/css-optional-subjects/group-e-history-subjects/islamic-history-culture/43076-what-history-bagh-e-fidak-2.html "


This depicts hypocrisy.I apologized not because i was wrong ,but because I believe in united Pakistan & united Muslims.

You have even no courage to apologize!
"wise man learns more from fool than fool from wise man"

@ tknwo1

"A nod to a wise is enough"

"One can take horse to water ,but can't force him to drink"

You can delete my reply,but you cannot delete the facts !

Open your Mind This is an IT age.No school of thought can hide its religious material now a days.

Be pragmatic!



Pakistan Zindabaad!
Muslim unity Zindabaad!

Then you should feel threatened by that.. shouldn't you?

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For what should I apologize? I still stick to what I said earlier. For those who stand against the Rightly Guided Caliphs, Hazrat Ali (RA) said:

"I will lash anyone who prefers me over Abu Bakr and `Umar, the lashing of a slanderer."

If you call it a hypocrisy, thousand salutes to my kind of hypocrisy. If I am not apologizing its not because I dont have courage to apologize. I am not doing so for I am right and I have the courage to hold it tight.

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The Me you have always known, the Me that's a stranger still.

@Last Island

You are "Royal Queen of Literature" that's why showing obstinacy.
Your obstinacy is reminding me the obstinacy of a Lady in Islamic era.
Following verses revealed in her praise Surrah Tahreem 66 surrah verses 1-7.

Now let resort to constructive dialogue.
You know when the term "Rightly Guided" coined? "The Neologism"
You Know why there are only four rightly guided caliphs?

I don't want to entangle you in historical controversies! like validity of Hadiths etc...



And My Dear Queen,
Because of inadequacy of your Islamic Knowledge , ideologues like Zaid Hamid exploit you in the name of Khilafat.Even Angles battled for the Post Of Khilafat.But Adam(a.s) was nominated by Allah Almighty not democratically elected.



Words of Prophet(saww) Quran Hadith
People around Prophet(saww) Ahlebayt Sahaba
Actions of Prophet(saww) Wajib(Farz) Sunnat
Rituals groupings Imam Jammat

If Hadith goes against Quran?
Answer: Throw Hadith on the Wall
If Sahaba against Ahlebayt?
If Sunnat against Wajib?
If Jammat against Imam?
principle is same...

1st Caliph Presented Hadith as evidence.
Lady of Paradise Presented Quran as evidence.
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No Doubt ,2nd Caliph conquered the territories But Ali conquered the Hearts.
"Aaj Nahee tay kal saray Ali Ali Karun gay! Dum mast Qalunder mast mast!"

@tknwo1

I am not threatened neither ideologically nor individually.
For sincere leadership in Pakistan ,why media Quote Khomeni as an example. why not Mullah Umar or Osama / Sufi Muhammad/ Molvi Abdul Aziz etc...
never forget,Khomeini was theologian too.
Hassan Nasr Ullah -leader of Hizbollah, Ahmed din Nejad- President of Iran, basar ul asad-syrian president, showed their characters.
Salam On Sahaba(r.a) who sacrificed their lives for Islam.

Pakistan Zindabaad!
Muslim unity Zindabaad!

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Unity + Faith + Discipline = True Pakistani

If you agree that Quran praises her, then obviously you'll have reservations on those verses as well... right? Speak openly as you don't need to do Taqiya on internet at least. Your identity isn't exposed.

State the references & then I'll reply to you inshallah.

Because in reality, west doesn't feel threatened by your creed.

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When the Holy Prophet returned to Medina, Gabriel revealed the following: "And give to the near of kin his due and (to) the needy and the wayfarer, and do not squander wastefully." (7:26)

The Holy Prophet pondered the significance of this revelation. Gabriel appeared again and informed him that Allah had decreed: "Let Fadak be given to Fatima." The Holy Prophet called Fatima and said: "Allah has commanded me to bestow Fadak as a gift to you." So he immediately gave possession of Fadak to Fatima.


After the death Of Prophet(saww) ,caliphs confiscated Fadak on the basis of the well known hadith narrated by Abu Bakr the 1st caliph, who declared that he had himself heard the Holy Prophet say: "We prophets do not leave behind any legacy; whatever we leave as inheritance is charity" (i.e., the property of umma)

Lady of Paradise rejected the hadith on the ground that, if the hadith were true, then why were there so many verses about the inheritances of the prophets. She said: "At one place the Holy Qur'an says, 'And Solomon was David's heir.'"(27:16)

About the prophet Zakariyya the Holy Qur'an says: "Therefore grant me from thyself an heir, who shall inherit of me and inherit (also) of the house of Jacob." (19,5-6)

About Zakariyya's invocation the Holy Qur'an says: "And Zakariyya, when he cried to his Lord: 'O my Lord, leave me not childless, though Thou art the best of inheritors.' So we responded to him and gave him Yahya." (21: 89,90)


After that she said: "O Son of Abu Qahafa(1st caliph)! Is it there in the Book of Allah that you are an heir of your father and I am deprived of my father's legacy? You have committed a great slander. Have you people deliberately abandoned the Book of Allah (the Holy Qur'an) and ignored it altogether? Am I not the descendant of the Holy Prophet? Why are you depriving me of my right? Why are all these verses of inheritance, which are intended for all people in general and for the Prophets in particular included in the Holy Qur'an? Is it not a fact that the verses of the Holy Qur'an shall remain unchanged until the Day of Judgment? Does not the Holy Qur'an say: 'And those who are akin are nearer one to another in the ordinance of Allah...' (8:75)" and: 'Allah enjoins you about your issue! the male shall have the equal of the shares of two females.' (4:12) and: 'Bequest is prescribed for you when one of you approaches death, if he leave wealth, that he bequeath unto parents and near relations in kindness. (This is) a duty for all those who ward off (evil).' Then why have I, in particular, been deprived of my father's legacy? Has Allah revealed some special verses to you, which exclude my father (from his right). Do you know the outward and inner meanings of the Holy Qur'an better than my father, Muhammad(saww), and my husband Ali?"



Only for constructive Dialogue


Pakistan Zindabaad!
Muslim Unity Zindabaad!

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Unity + Faith + Discipline = True Pakistani

"Ameer ul momineen (Ali R.A) aksar farmaya kartay thay ke men Allah ki taraf se jannat aur dozakh taqseem karnay wala hun. Meray pas asaa e Musa aur Khatim e Sulaiman hai. Meray liyay tamam farishton ne aur rasoolon ne isee tarah iqrar kiya jesay unhon ne Muhammad ke liay kiya." (Asool e Kafi, Page no. 117)

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Your selections of words are very blasphemous, you could have used soft and suitable words while discussing the greatest personalities of Islam. Your selection of words and hidden enmity shows your motives and hidden motives. In previous thread which is deleted you also used highly objectionable words. On the one hand you are accepting the honor and on the other hand you are using very bad words.

I don't think that this discussion is worthy to be carried out because when highly qualified scholars could not made final agreement and still the Ummah is divided into several sects then how the aspirants of CSS who have not deep knowledge of sensitive issues, can reach on a final settlement.

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No matter how fast i run or how far i go it wont escape me, pain, misery, emptiness.

"hamaray pas mushaf e Fatima hai aur logon ko kya khabar woh kya hai. Us men tumharay Quran se 3 guna zyada hai aur Allah ki qasam ismen tumharay Quran ka aik haraf bhi nahi hai." (words attributed to Hazrat Ali R.A, Asool e Kafi, Page no. 146)

ab inka asal saheefa jo hai woh inka aakhri imaam le ke bhag gaya tha, kaheen pahaar ki ghaar (cave) men chup gaya hai ja ke.. woh men agay chal ke batata hun uska reference bhi.. qayamat ke nazdeek ja ke saheefa le ke niklay ga.. banda in se poochay asal Quran agar wohi tha nauzubillah to agar qayamat ke pas ja kar laey ga tumhara imam to uska kisi ko kya faida??? becharay din rat duain mangtay hen ke "Aey Allah Imam ka nikalna asaan farma.." LOL

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bhai men tumharay references ka jawab deta hun, ruk jao zara mujhay apnay references pooray karnay do thoray..

@ Last Island: yeh thread delete karnay se pehlay bata dena.. I need to copy paste jo kuch men likh raha hun.. aainda kam aai ga meray..

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