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"kya tum ko yeh bat maloom nahi ke dunya aur akhrat sab imam ki malkiyat hai.. woh jisko chahain de dain aur ataa farma dein." (Attributed to Jafar Sadiq rehmatullah elaih, Asool e Kafi, Page no. 259)

Imam aur khuda men koi faraq bhi hai bhai? And guys, yeh inki woh book hai Asool e Kafi, keh baqol inkay this is more than enough.. youn samajh lein ke shiyat ka constitution hai poora..
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"Jibraeel jo chizen Muhammad S.A.W ke qalb pe le kar nazil huay, woh Ameer ul momineen (Ali R.A) ki wilayat o imamat ka masala tha." (Asool e Kafi, Page no. 361)

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Surah Taha ki ayat no. 115 ke baray men Asool e Kafi men Jafar Sadiq rehmatullah elaih ka qaul is tarah se naqal hai..

"men qasam khata hun ke yeh ayat Muhammad par is tarah se nahi balkay asal ayat youn nazil hui thi, ---- aur hum ne pehlay hi hukam diya tha Adam ko kuch baton ka Muhammad aur Ali aur Fatima aur Hasan o Hussain aur unki nasal se peda honay walay baqi imamon ke baray men, phir woh Adam bhook gaey" (Asool e Kafi, Page no. 263)


Quran per bohtan ya Nabi per? I can't figure out.. judge yourself.. :S
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Surah Muhammad ki ayat no. 25 ki tafseer kartay huay Jafar Sadiq R.A ka qaul aisay naqal kartay hen.. "falan aur falan aur falan (yani 3 caliphs) Ameer ul momineen ki wilayat aur imamat tark kar denay ki wajah se Iman aur Islam se murtad ho gaey thay." (Asool e Kafi, Page no. 265)

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When the Holy Prophet returned to Medina, Gabriel revealed the following: "And give to the near of kin his due and (to) the needy and the wayfarer, and do not squander wastefully." (7:26)

The Holy Prophet pondered the significance of this revelation. Gabriel appeared again and informed him that Allah had decreed: "Let Fadak be given to Fatima." The Holy Prophet called Fatima and said: "Allah has commanded me to bestow Fadak as a gift to you." So he immediately gave possession of Fadak to Fatima.


After the death Of Prophet(saww) ,caliphs confiscated Fadak on the basis of the well known hadith narrated by Abu Bakr the 1st caliph, who declared that he had himself heard the Holy Prophet say: "We prophets do not leave behind any legacy; whatever we leave as inheritance is charity" (i.e., the property of umma)

Lady of Paradise rejected the hadith on the ground that, if the hadith were true, then why were there so many verses about the inheritances of the prophets. She said: "At one place the Holy Qur'an says, 'And Solomon was David's heir.'"(27:16)

About the prophet Zakariyya the Holy Qur'an says: "Therefore grant me from thyself an heir, who shall inherit of me and inherit (also) of the house of Jacob." (19,5-6)

About Zakariyya's invocation the Holy Qur'an says: "And Zakariyya, when he cried to his Lord: 'O my Lord, leave me not childless, though Thou art the best of inheritors.' So we responded to him and gave him Yahya." (21: 89,90)


After that she said: "O Son of Abu Qahafa(1st caliph)! Is it there in the Book of Allah that you are an heir of your father and I am deprived of my father's legacy? You have committed a great slander. Have you people deliberately abandoned the Book of Allah (the Holy Qur'an) and ignored it altogether? Am I not the descendant of the Holy Prophet? Why are you depriving me of my right? Why are all these verses of inheritance, which are intended for all people in general and for the Prophets in particular included in the Holy Qur'an? Is it not a fact that the verses of the Holy Qur'an shall remain unchanged until the Day of Judgment? Does not the Holy Qur'an say: 'And those who are akin are nearer one to another in the ordinance of Allah...' (8:75)" and: 'Allah enjoins you about your issue! the male shall have the equal of the shares of two females.' (4:12) and: 'Bequest is prescribed for you when one of you approaches death, if he leave wealth, that he bequeath unto parents and near relations in kindness. (This is) a duty for all those who ward off (evil).' Then why have I, in particular, been deprived of my father's legacy? Has Allah revealed some special verses to you, which exclude my father (from his right). Do you know the outward and inner meanings of the Holy Qur'an better than my father, Muhammad(saww), and my husband Ali?"
Abu Bakr (R.A) did not give Fidak to Hazrat Fatima (R.A) not of any enmity. If the legacy was to be divided then the Mothers of the Faithful were equally share-holders. Most important is Hazrat Aisha R.A was daughter of the first Caliph, why also she was not given share in legacy? Moreover, Hazrat Abbas R.A was uncle of the Holy Prophet PBUH he was also to be share-holder.

Suleman A.S was Devid A.S heir in prophet hood. Hazrat Dawood A.S had 19 sons then why not all of them were heirs? So, Suleman A.S was heir of prophet hood his other brothers were not to share it with him because it was of divine nature. Similarly, Hazrat Zakarya A.S prayed for heir.
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I don't think that this discussion is worthy to be carried out because when highly qualified scholars could not made final agreement and still the Ummah is divided into several sects then how the aspirants of CSS who have not deep knowledge of sensitive issues, can reach on a final settlement.
I agree with this point that this discussion will go no where...tknwo1 cant convince against the basics which strengthen in 25 years of person in just 25 or 250 posts....this should end here...

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something is wrong with u these days...lot of contradictions being raised against u....but u r doing good....ALL THE BEST..
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Ab kuch inkay imam (ghaib uz zaman) sahab ke baray men.. jo cave men chupay huay hen...

"jab 313 ahl e ikhlas unkay liay jama ho jayain ge to Allah unkay mamlay ko zahir kar de ga (yani ghar se bahar aa ke kam shuru kar dain ge.)" (Ehtajaj e Tibrasi, Printed Iran, page no. 230)

koi sharam karo abhi tak 313 mukhlis shiya hazrat bhi jama nahi huay unkay qaul ke mutabiq.. tabhi to pata nahi hazaron sal guzar gaey bahar nahi nikaltay..

phir nauzubillah likhtay hen... "jab qaim mehdi ghaib uz zaman zahir hon ge to Ayesha ko zinda kar ke unhain saza dain ge aur Fatima ka intiqam unsay lain ge." (Haqq ul yaqeen, page no. 139)

yeh kuch karnay aa rahay hen inkay imam ghaib uz zaman mashallah se..
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When the Holy Prophet returned to Medina, Gabriel revealed the following: "And give to the near of kin his due and (to) the needy and the wayfarer, and do not squander wastefully." (7:26)
Copy paste ka yehi masla hai. This Ayat is in 17th Surah and you pasted as it is with an obvious mistake.

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The Holy Prophet pondered the significance of this revelation. Gabriel appeared again and informed him that Allah had decreed: "Let Fadak be given to Fatima." The Holy Prophet called Fatima and said: "Allah has commanded me to bestow Fadak as a gift to you." So he immediately gave possession of Fadak to Fatima.
Surah Bani Israel is a Makki surah. Khyber was conquered in 6th Hijri, long after the revelation of this Ayat. Then how come this Ayat is related to Fadak?
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Ab kuch inkay imam (ghaib uz zaman) sahab ke baray men.. jo cave men chupay huay hen...

"jab 313 ahl e ikhlas unkay liay jama ho jayain ge to Allah unkay mamlay ko zahir kar de ga (yani ghar se bahar aa ke kam shuru kar dain ge.)" (Ehtajaj e Tibrasi, Printed Iran, page no. 230)

koi sharam karo abhi tak 313 mukhlis shiya hazrat bhi jama nahi huay unkay qaul ke mutabiq.. tabhi to pata nahi hazaron sal guzar gaey bahar nahi nikaltay..

phir nauzubillah likhtay hen... "jab qaim mehdi ghaib uz zaman zahir hon ge to Ayesha ko zinda kar ke unhain saza dain ge aur Fatima ka intiqam unsay lain ge." (Haqq ul yaqeen, page no. 139)

yeh kuch karnay aa rahay hen inkay imam ghaib uz zaman mashallah se..
i dont want this discussion to continue but on the other hand..this increases lot of knowledge abt what they believe actually....
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Hazrat Ali R.A ne apni aik beti ka nikah Umar R.A se kiya tha.. aam tor se shiya hazrat is bat ko hi deny kar jatay hen.. keh ji yeh sab banayi hui batain hen sach nahi hai.. ab men aapko inki apni book se iqtabas dikhata hun.. ab bohtan check keejiyay zara... Jafar Sadiq se riwayat hai.. sochain bhala woh aisi bat kar saktay hen?? koi lucha lafanga bhi aisi bat karnay se pehlay sochay ga zaroor..

"yeh hamari ahl e bait ki pehli sharamgah thi jis par zabardasti qabza kiya gaya." (Faro e Kafi, Vol 2, Page 141) Nauzubillah.........

Socho zara Ali R.A jinkay ehtaram ka dawa kartay hen yeh, un par kya tuhmat laga rahay hen ke ji unki beti per ghasibana qabza kiya Umar R.A ne.. aur woh bhi kin alfaz men.. ab mujhay yeh batao ke Ali R.A jesi aali martabat shakhsiyat yeh honay deti?? la hol wala.......
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