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Default Implimentation of islam.... a question

seeing so many reasonable persons are here i may ask here..

on cyber a Cristian asked a question and i want to know the answer to answer him


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In Islam the punishment for the thief is to cut his hand...
and wonder how many thieves are there in Pakistan... it ll mean to cut so many hands
which definitely mean decrease in man power... and productivity

how we can implement the Islam as it was 1400 years ago...
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Yes it is true that punishment of theft is chopping off the hand in Islam. Apparently, if we have so many thieves in Pakistan, then it will surely lead to productivity loss if we have so many people without hands. However, before going further, let us see the logic behind the Islamic punishments.

Islamic punishments are basically exemplary in nature, i.e. to show other people the consequences of their ill deeds by giving punishment to the sinner. For example, according to Anglo-Saxon laws prevelant in our country, a thief has to be jailed for some time say 1 month. If someone has committed theft, he may have no problem going to jail for a month (aadi choron ko jail jane se koi khas problem nahi hoti), and he may commit this sin again, because punishment is not much tough. At the same time other prospective thief may also be not deterred by such punishment and he may also indulge in theft.

Now consider that if that thief has his hand chopped down, will he ever think about theft? and also other people watching him will have the courage to do such kind of act? The ultimate objective of Islam is to have social tranquility and order, which is achieved by making the thief punishment as an example to miscreants in the society.

One can argue that thief has done such an act out of desperation, for example, he was hungry for 2 3 days and has nothing to eat. In such circumstances we have an example from Hazrat Umer (r.a) reign, where he suspended this punishment during famine. So a judge while deciding for the said punishment will certainly look for such socio-economic circumstances.
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seeing so many reasonable persons are here i may ask here..

on cyber a Cristian asked a question and i want to know the answer to answer him


question is
In Islam the punishment for the thief is to cut his hand...
and wonder how many thieves are there in Pakistan... it ll mean to cut so many hands
which definitely mean decrease in man power... and productivity

how we can implement the Islam as it was 1400 years ago...
Productivity? They are not producing or creating anything, thats why they steal.

Had we implemented Islam in its true essence, ratio of theft would have decreased manifold. In Saudi Arabia, the executioner cut off thieves' hands and general public is allowed to see it keh "Dekho mujhe jo deeda-e-ibrat nigaah ho". People there cannot dare to steal or rob because they know what they would have to go through once they are caught and proven guilty for their law does not spare anyone and chances of corruption are rare. If this very law is implemented here, no doubt many will become helpless but it will benefit our society in the long run.
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seeing so many reasonable persons are here i may ask here..

on cyber a Cristian asked a question and i want to know the answer to answer him


question is
In Islam the punishment for the thief is to cut his hand...
and wonder how many thieves are there in Pakistan... it ll mean to cut so many hands
which definitely mean decrease in man power... and productivity

how we can implement the Islam as it was 1400 years ago...

See the punishments have always been strict...so that if that exercised on someone others will get lesson from it...you shouldnt see it like this that in Pakistan there are lot of thieves..and if we implement that punishment our more than 50% nation will become cripple...but you should see this that if we are going to exercise it other will learn lesson from it and restrain themselves to do such things again....Punishment have to be strict to keep people away from sins....
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A very good explanation of the verse [5:38] is given in a brief article in this link:
Misconception: Islam and The Quran orders hands to be cut off for theft
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Yes, they r thieves, but c punishment for al the thefts under normal circumstances is same, its gonna effect productivity, as you can see from lowest staff, clerk etc to level up . Most of them have knowingly or unknowingly, wilingly or unwilingly done corruption and theft,so cuting their hands,is surely gona do damage to productivity,
I also believe that these are examples, for other people to not to commit it.
Now question is its implementation, how to implement, ofcourse, cuting hands of thousand people in one day , is not a sane idea, then how it is be implemented?
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but c punishment for al the thefts under normal circumstances is same
It is a question of epistemology. God's peaceful system of submission to Him alone is based on Reason and Revelation. If dogma and tradition are allowed to permeate in it, then asking pragmatic questions such as this becomes secondary in importance.
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Thanks for vocabulary but, consider this question tertiary, but this question cannot be abandoned or left unanswerd. As islam is complete way of life.. It have to be implemented. And how? I m askd abt it
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