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chap we haven't talked about our views about the sovereignty of Pakistan. we were talking about, what the world perceives about Pakistan specially WORLD POWERS. yes there is no question on its sovereignty when it comes to us, but that are not us who represent Pakistan at international front, its our leaders and they are no more than beggars ruled by some specific masters. hopefully there will b many who will stand in front of Allah and would say that they have done their duty but we failed to elect LEADERS and we will definitely be questioned. its not about you and me and a few others its about us...........
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Every one knew about pakistan's sovreignity.why pakistan remain unable to maintain its sovreignity and what we can contribute it is a question.

If we go back in time than we have come to know root causes of this puzzle.pakistan came on to the world map due to Quaid dauntless efforts.The first governer general (Quaid i Azam) maintained somehow to establish the newly born country.but due to his ailment and death state affairs puzzled.Indian government was fortunate for their leaders long life.This space created by Quaid's death could not filled yet.

2.The second thing /fact was delay in constitution phenomena.Nawabzada liaqat Ali khan constituted"basic principle committe".Governal general ghulam mohammad was at that time finance minister.He was dismissed by Liaqat Ali khan on the account of her paralysis.when constitutiön committe drafted legislation.The conflict aroused between east and west pakistan on the issues of "linguistic identity,representation in assembly.This rift caused the assassination of pakistan.Governer general ghulam mohammad (disabled,can't speek)now became all in all.His drastic measures regarding the dismissal of Hussain shaeed seharwardi,abrogation of constitution and assembley started dictatorial government.He further (very comprehensive bogra formula) dismissed mohammad Ali bogra made-constitution.These issues which engulfed the nascant country in conspiracies founded the pakistani political philosophy.so lack of absolute constitution and series of ammendments allowed foreign intervention.
Now linguistic crisis created Baloch separatism.


3.pakistan economic fragility is another factor.There were no factories,industries in the beginning with its comparison to India.Pakistan had to rely and now relying on foreign aid.we can make pakistan sovereign if we will use our energy her not abroad.Our genius minds are working abroad.America has greatest shares in IMF .so IMF is imposing its own conditions.As it has demands for foreign direct investment,privitization and periodical increments in taxes.what pakistan borrowed from IMF,more than half of it is deducted in interest payments.Government has to bend its knee regarding drone attacks and others.
To blame government is not good option.one should consider what will he do if he be a leader on solid grounds.
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So Dear memeber we have established among ourselves that Pakistan is not a soveriegen state right now . Sadia also discussed some reasons but not all and her reasons are quite valid ones. What Can we do now is the real question. Yes people like us want to take part in politics of Pakistan to play a constructive role in developing the beloved homeland but we are siege by goons politicians are not only resourceful against us but also are ready to go to every limit to maintain thier status quo.
What about our ideology? "Pakistan ka Matlab kya La Illa ha illal la" . Economy I don't think is big enough problem to maintain as we have more natural as well as human reources that are more than collective resources of Saudi arabia, Iran Iraq. We need honest people. The people who do not go after haram earnings and haram doings.
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We need honest people. The people who do not go after haram earnings and haram doings.
Yes you are right. Our people should be educated and open-minded. Then they will bring a positive change in our society. If people elect right and efficient leaders then our country will progress. It will help to promote unity among people of different cultures. It will ultimately leads to a sovereign state.
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I have some suggestions Noman.and i want from you to suggest.As it will increase my knowlege...

1.how to reduce foreign intervention.
i have read shahid javed burki article"Asia in catch up game"and i will illustrate one suggestion with full explanation

economic survey for future.

Goldman sachs sketched future economies.and his sketch was extracted by shaid javed burki in his article.

By 2025,the world economy is likely to be dominated ay the US AND china,each with national incomes close to US$20 trillion in 2006 prices.japan the next laregest econ6y,is likely to be only a quarter of the size of these two economies.India is expected to be in the fourth position with its national income slightly less than that of japan's.

Goldman sachs described about national income for the 22 largest economies in world during the years 2025 and 2050.eleven of 22 largest ecönomies are from Asia
prediction:

1.china
2.united states.
3.India.
4.Brazil.
5.Mexico.
6.russia
7.indonesia.
8.japan
9.united kingdom
10.Germany
11.nigeria.
12.France.
13.Korea.
14.turkey.
15.Vietnam.
16.canada
17.philippines.
18.italy.
19.iran.
20.egypt.
21.pakistan.
22.bangladesh.

Source..The N-11,more than an Acronym,global economics paper no:153.Goldmansachs 2007
The inclusion of international trade as a growth driver suggests further globalisation in production processes. trade as a proportion of total international output will continue to increase and countries that are geared to take advantage of this development will do relatively well.

Rise of china,Mao zedong policies.

China is identified as an economic powerhouse and rising global player.Mao was able to transform china socially.He brought universal literacy and health care to the citizenry and introduced gender equality into china social system..the second phase started with Deng xiaoping,set the stage for pushing back the worst aspects of communism in favour of opening the economy to private initiative.it brought new technologifs and china began to grow from 5 to 7 than 8 to 10%of GDP.
China economy had to suffer during 2009 recession.but how it swiftly turned the track is example for us.In 2008 Beijing moved decisively to prevent a sharp decline In GDP by injecting large sums of public funds into economy.A stimulus package of RMB4,000 billion(US $585 billion)was launched largely to develop physical infrastructure.---roads,railways,airports,ports,bridges and tunnels.The money flowed from federal budget to the state-owned agencies responsible for building and maintaing infrastructure.Banks lent a record RMB9,600 billion(US$1,524 billion) in 2009.,bringing the total stimulus to US $2.1 trillion.

The stimulus money was quickly spend by bringing forward the projects including five year plan stage.as increasing industrialisation created unemployment due to unskilled labour.There was a sharp rise of peasantry against government as in xinjiang too.but china mangaed it.His industrial products were sold on more cheaper rate.(recorded rate,as industry is expensive)and instead of foreign export china depended wholly on its domestic scale.the earning yield helped in building infrastructure in Afghanistan,Iran,Turkamanistan,Pakistan.It employed its labor in that countried.The problem of unemployment vanished and rising too.
Now after gaing some stability it sharply increased its industries.So china foreing market dependency syndrome vanished.It now restricted loans that induced investment and allow foreign investment.Foreign investment attracted Canadian and American multi corporates to invest.The foreign rupee now flowing in chineese tunnels.and these corporates employed chineese labor as it is cheaper.That created a new big problem of unemployment all over the world.

The same was did by india under LICENCE RAJ.so how china entrap the America in its own net.now American is deciding to withdraw its membership from WTO.

This a lesson for ur
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I am sorry to disappoint everyone but Pakistan is indeed a sovereign state. If the supreme authority allows something, then you cannot say that sovereignty is challenged.

Drone attacks are executed with the permission of the gov of Pakistan and they are notified before every such attack, In fact the gov is helped with these attacks i.e most top leaders (bait ullah mehsud etc) were killed in drone attacks. Drones can strike areas which pak army cannot go and are therefore helpful, sometimes miscalculations are done which causes deaths of innocent people.

The Gov only plays a drama by condemning the attacks while in reality they are the ones who permit such attacks to be executed; sovereignty would have been challenged or in question if and only if these attacks were executed with no permission of our gov or ARMY, since most of you here will already agree that the GOV and the army allows it and asks for it, hence the question of weather pakistan is a sovereign state or not does not arises

No matter whatever x y z says but pakistan is an internationally recognized sovereign state, hit the UN website and/or wikipedia for further Information; As I and you do not decide which state is internationally recognized sovereign state, they (The UN) does that and as per their declaration we are Indeed an Internationally recognized sovereign STATE!
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@mukt. can any govt. ever stop US intervention?
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Another suggestion ,which one can oft-quote in papers and also from rely able source.
China is now building houses,infra structures that have antena for solor,wind power capture and ventilaters that manually work.These building codes are new innovation as now buildings will automatically produce electricity and power.This would to some how made him autonomus.it is suit able for hot areas.and near coastal areas as shanghai ,china is developing green zone energy program.that will generate electricity via wind,tidal and geothermal form.After shift from market to domestic economy as it now staging two prong economic system.that have made it autonomous in economic field.and this green zone energy program made it autonomous in ye field.
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According to objective resolution no law against the injuctions of Islam can be passed. It is our Objective resolution that declares so but you know what mukt our most honest president on earth says that he has got indemnity, he can not be trialed in any court of law when he is the president of Pakistan. Hazrat Umar Farooque (RA) could appear before court but Zardari, who is probably the angel on earth is more honorabe then the 2nd Caliph of Islam.

See the Difference between what paper declares and what is the reality.

Secondly, An American Spy after killing 2 innocent pakistani citizens could go without being punished on one hand and on the other hand Dr. Aafia Siddiqui who was just guilty of attempt to murder is sentenced of 86 years in Jail
( Remember she is a lady, Izzat hai hamari).

Your Prime Minister Yousf Raza gillani Requsting the SAARC countries to persuade USA stop drones attack on Pakistan. well, If SAARC countries have to help then what the use of This 6,25000 Army is. We are breeding the army by our tax money or USA is breeding them. Are they for the protection of Pakistani nation or to guard the intersts of the USA.

You are saying that all is going on with the consent of Army then army is requesting to reduce number of CIA operatives in Pakistan and stop drones attack on Pakistan. But everyone knows what Shuja Pasha got form American in reply. Iran is weaker than Pakisatn but facing USA, What damage USA has caused to Iran? Nothing! USA is a Cowerd Country that could not even ivaded Afghnistan without the support of NATO.

Just Yesterday Musharraf has said that he did not regret on the steps that he took on oct-12 1999 and Nov.3,2007 because in his opinion a Country is more important than papers, Referring to constitution of PAkistan. Indeed he is right. do you know the name of country possessing shortest constitution? USA! What you are saying is true only on papers but not in reality.
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I do not disagree what you have presented. But Every country has some unique advantage. Pakistan Is located at a place which is the bridge that Connects Central Asia via Afghanistn to Pakistan And China Via Azad Kashimir to Pakistan. Off course China will need energy to sustain its economic growth and that energy lies in Centeral Asia. The Shortest route available to china is the Gawader port in Balochistan that is Why CIA, Raw,and other enemies Agencies are working here. The first objective of USA is to control the energy resources depositing in Pakista's Balochistan,Afghanistan and then moving towrds centeral Asia. It will not only beneficial for USA because they will have abundant energy resouces under thier control after that. And it will also stop the economic growth of China.

Pakistan Has a unique advantage due to it Geo-strategic location and Pakistan is a country which has one of the highest working population or labor force. We have economic resources as well as human resources. what we do not have is " Honest people at the helm of tha affairs". Once we got those people at those places then you will see we would be able to gain same economic status that we had in 2006. Pakistan was being projected one of the rapidly growing economy. It will not take more than 1 or 2 year longer to clean the mess that Zardari adn company has created in this country.

What are the main problems of Pakistan? (1)Loadshedding (2) Law and order in Karachi, Balochistan and in FATA. (3) Uncertainty in government policies due do political instability.

once we have honest people you will notice 2nd and 3rd problems will be solved automatically.
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