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@ rubab
I m not devaluating the importance of “purda” in Islam. But tell me , do u wear a shuttle-cock burqa? Or the ones which were used 25-40 years before? I personally think that those burqas do well in covering ur body from sensual exposures than some of the modern day’s abaaya’s etc. I am not saying that everyone is alike, but my point is that: Islam has defined some values, not a strict uniform for you, I am more than 99% sure that u do not wear a shuttle-cock burqa, and the very simple and a justified reason is that it is nowadays out of fashion. Well, as far as Islam is concerned, it professes simplicity and completeness (from tip to toe) as core values to be adhered with. The rest is your choice, whether u choose a burqa/abaya/chadar for covering urself, or u use some other dress like in pukhtoon and baluchi culture, they wear frocks, in saudia they wear something else(sorry I don’t know the real names of those dresses but I have marked out the difference), as in Malaysia and Indonesia and even in turkey(traditional side), the dress is different yet the core values which are to be followed are invariably the same over all and always. Same is the case with morals of conduct with the opposite gender. To be very honest and blunt, as like having an adders tongue, I have seen girls/women who wear those veils on their faces, yet their bodies are still exposed. I have seen them going beyond the limits of mutual conduct set by Islam, between the genders and the limits of “Na-mehram”. I feel real sorry to state that they appear to me as wolves in a sheep’s hide. While, on the other hand, we also have women of Islam, who are completely dressed and they do care about “Allah’s set boundaries” and are not necessarily wearing abaya or burqa etc. The very point of stress here is that : do care about the values, which are invariable, while u can choose amongst the one which suits u well or u like better. Don’t make it a standard that only a girl in so called veil is right and the other one going without it and still caring for the completeness in her dress is not right. Our standard should be very objective to the core value that how significantly a women is avoiding exposure of her body and how she interacts with “na-mehram” and “mehrams”. U can have ur own choices for that. Keep in mind the meaning of the word “Hijab” not only as a noun, but as a verb as well.

“Aur deen ko tumhaaray (samjhney ke) liye aasaan ker diya gaya” (Al-Quran) Sorry that I do not remember the reference but I surely have heard this on ptv

Take care,
Allah Hafiz

ok too many answers to give,first Mr yasir naseem " should recommend this to dear sister nosheen also, try this out and u will certainly feel that general men will start behaving in a different manner". i think u should work on ur manners i was pointing towards a v serious issue which u cant deny,u should restrain from personal comment.its none of ur buisness wht should i do or not.
Now Rubab "n sister nousheen its a Precept that
woman is riyaat (responsibility)of the 4 men
her father,brother,husband n son.
n they can ask her to wear hijab n i think she should obey them."
at this comment of urs i wanna say tht ofcourse she should but wht i meant was tht if she doesnt want tht herself and do tht just as she was forced to do so then the real essence would not be there.and HUmayun thanks for all the information u gave .

@ Yasir....
Well Ur points are really good...dat Hijab is not the end but u have to cover all ur body dat should not be visible to others...well if a women covers herslef well and fullfills part of dis ayat
Ah Nabi(Pbuh) Momin Mardo say Kaho k apni nazrain bacha kar rakhay aur apni sharmgahoo ki hifazat karien.Yeh in ke Liye zayda Pakeza hai.Bay shak jo kuch woh kartay hai allah is say ba khabar hai.aur ah Nabi(Pbuh) Momin aurtoo say keh doo k apni nazrain bacha kar rakhay aur apni sharmagahoo ki hifazaat karien aur apna banaho singhaar na dekhahein.."
"Surat Nor ayat No 30 31"
Then its Okay............

@ Rubab....Well i did not said It First....Nosheen Wrote "but if a man is staring at her i think he deserve tht kind of JAZA or SAZA.." and then I replied dat yes if Men Commits dis mistake He is responsible for dat....
I think u misunderstood wat i said.....Just read it clearly i think dis will remove misconecption


Ah Nabi(Pbuh) Momin Mardo say Kaho k apni nazrain bacha kar rakhay aur apni sharmgahoo ki hifazat karien.Yeh in ke Liye zayda Pakeza hai.Bay shak jo kuch woh kartay hai allah is say ba khabar hai.aur ah Nabi(Pbuh) Momin aurtoo say keh doo k apni nazrain bacha kar rakhay aur apni sharmagahoo ki hifazaat karien aur apna banaho singhaar na dekhahein.."
"Surat Nor ayat No 30 31"
Then its Okay............

@ Nosheen...I Think u got my Point

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@ Nosheen

Sorry sis, didnt mean that. What I was trying to point out was that a woman with a complete dress tends to be more respected even in the eyes which keep account of the women without a complete dress. I swear I didnt mean to pull ur leg. I have looked again at my statement and I am really sorry for my comment. It was a mistake at my behalf. Hope u understand and thanks for correcting me

@ Humayun

Yes bro, hijab is not to be taken as noun only, but as a verb as well

@ yasir nasim
what if i say i wear a shuttle cock burqa.first i think i must define the meaning of the word aurut to u.it has got its origion from an arabic word aurah which means PURDA so a woman should observe perda n this name is given to a women by ALLAH in Quran.now coming to da point i think no where i said that a women should wear a veil n the rest of her body should be visible.n what do u men by SO CALLED VEIL ?.in matter of wearing a veil a women has her free choice but she should cover rest of her body properly.its not necessary that a women wearing a veil is more pious than the one who doesnot wear it.
even than my personal opinion is a WOMAN SHOULD COVER HER BODY ALONG WITH HER FACE.
@ nosheen
sister ur absolutely right that a women cannot be compelled to wear hijab as it is a verse of Quran
LA IQRAHA FID DEEN
LET THERE BE NO COMPULSION IN RELIGION(verse 256-surah e Baqara)
what i wanted to say that her father,brother ,husband n son can ask her to wear hijab n choice is her own.
@humayoun
brother what i wanted to say was this, that perda is for both men n women n its starts by lowering one's gaze.
anyways there is a very good book on Hijab i would like to recommend it to all of u
DEAREST SISTER:
WHY NOT COVER YOUR MODESTY
author:abdul hameed Al-balali
translated by :wael f.tabba

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Allah is He,than Whom there is no God ;the Sovereign,the Holy One,the Source of Peace(n Perfection),the Guardian of Faith,the Preserver of Safety,the Exalted in Might,the Irresistible,the justly Proud glory to Allah!(High is He)above the partners they attribute to Him.(Surah e Hashar,verse #23)

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@ Rubab
The meaning of a so called veil is that u wear a veil, yet ur manners of interaction with a male are so free minded and "transgressing". I am not giving any personal remark to u madam, yet I have said what i have observed people doing. For the essence of my point, just read my last mail reply to Humayun
where I say that " Its not to be taken as a noun, but a verb as well". I am not a linguist or a lexicographer, but taking it in litteral sence, i declare that purda is not only wearing a veil around, but to follow the "Limits of Allah" in regard of interaction and thinking. Well, on your other remark that u wear a shuttle-cock burqa, u have been previliged by the 1% beneficiaries of doubt.
Yet, may be I will recognize u on the day of exams if by chance, we come face to face. How amazing, I will recognize u but u will not be able to recognize me.....

salam
very intresting
but purda is not only 4 women but also 4 men.they must lower there gaze when women r around.
but that is not the case
in our society we look at a girl that has veil as conservative, backward.but will never condemn a girl who wears fitting and shows her body.
will any of u male member marry a girl that is covered 4m head to toe,without looking at her first?


talking philosophy is very easy.islam says a lot about other stuff also.what about beard 4 men.i think its all the inner self.the niyat.if its good every thing is good.
society as a whole is changing not only women are leaving purda but men are also not fulfilling their duties.
purda is a big thing i dont see dupatta anywhere .dont u think that it is must.
whether we like it or not the jeans,short shirts,heavy makeup its all in the media.we are slowly getting ammuned to it.

hum qiyamat kay kareeb ja rahay hein door nahein.

regards

Thts ok yasir i was just shocked tht's why i reacted so much its good tht u have realize ur mistake

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@afrms
The desire to understand the world and the desire to reform it are the two great engines of progress(B.Russel).
We cannot stop these engines my dear, but what we can do is to drive them on the right road to reach our destiny (qayamat or death). Ur points regarding the role of media in immuning our society are valid. On the other hand, secterianism has always been a bump on the road (if uknow what I mean).
Purda for men is not only lowering the gaze, its also in his dress i.e. from knee to the elbow. Beard is not a compulsion. Talking philosophy is really easy, may be thats why i am real bad at it.

@Nosheen
Thanks. any other correction will be equally honoured.

Take care...

Allah Hafiz

@yasir
salam

"The discovery of what is true and the practice of that what is good are the two most important objects of philosiophy."



philosophy is knowing a thing and then doing it.i said that we all talk but how many of us act.that is the real point.

i dont feel bad when called a philosopher .i think u r also good at it then why say nay.?

"the philosopher is natures pilot.and there you have our difference,to be in hell is to drift,to be in heaven is to steer."

i like all your points. they are all valid.but practical implementation is must.

regards

afrms