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I am starting the subject thread with a real case of mine. Its about Greed. Greed to snatch a BS-17 job or any other grade job. The greed cannot be attributed to all but you'll find it among most of competing individuals. Now here I go. I have been working in BS-14 since 2007. I have earned MBA degree in 2014 and started my journey in the pursuit of BS-17. I have been in competition of conventional positions of ADs in IB, ISI and others through FPSC, NTS etc. Finally I got a chance to secure 2nd Position in Drug Regulatory Authority of Pakistan (DRAP) for the position of AD (Admn). The guy on the 1st position (I omit his name) was already serving in National Saving of Pakistan as Saving Officer (BS-17), he told me himself when we met at the interview. There was one position and five candidates were called for interview. But only 1st and 2nd candidates on merit attended the interview. Interview was fine. But DRAP decided to offer the appointment in all categories for 192 positions to the candidates who are in the 1st position of written part of merit list. So in my case the offer letter goes to the 1st guy. He concealed the fact that he is already serving in BS-17. He applied for paid leave from National Saving of Pakistan and came all the way from Karachi to Islamabad and joined the DRAP on Monday. On Friday he telephoned me to meet in person. He told me that he has resigned and DRAP assured him that next candidate will be given a chance as well which didn't happen. The post remained consumed. I have been denied offer of appointment. Now the greed part is that if a candidate is already serving in BS-17 why he has to conceal that fact and join another BS-17 post? Before his joining of DRAP I have had conversation with him for letting me join the DRAP. I remember his words, He said, as He is on the 1st position therefore he has the right to decided whether to join DRAP or remain in National Saving. My question is that if a government employee needs NOC from previous department to join a new one, How he could have that right? when he didn't have had that NOC? This kind of greed spoiled the position and I am still in BS-14. People talk about destiny and Allah ne ap k liy kuch behtar socha hoga and all that. I admit it. par jo galat ho raha hy usko kam se kam galat to kaho?
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I am starting the subject thread with a real case of mine. Its about Greed. Greed to snatch a BS-17 job or any other grade job. The greed cannot be attributed to all but you'll find it among most of competing individuals. Now here I go. I have been working in BS-14 since 2007. I have earned MBA degree in 2014 and started my journey in the pursuit of BS-17. I have been in competition of conventional positions of ADs in IB, ISI and others through FPSC, NTS etc. Finally I got a chance to secure 2nd Position in Drug Regulatory Authority of Pakistan (DRAP) for the position of AD (Admn). The guy on the 1st position (I omit his name) was already serving in National Saving of Pakistan as Saving Officer (BS-17), he told me himself when we met at the interview. There was one position and five candidates were called for interview. But only 1st and 2nd candidates on merit attended the interview. Interview was fine. But DRAP decided to offer the appointment in all categories for 192 positions to the candidates who are in the 1st position of written part of merit list. So in my case the offer letter goes to the 1st guy. He concealed the fact that he is already serving in BS-17. He applied for paid leave from National Saving of Pakistan and came all the way from Karachi to Islamabad and joined the DRAP on Monday. On Friday he telephoned me to meet in person. He told me that he has resigned and DRAP assured him that next candidate will be given a chance as well which didn't happen. The post remained consumed. I have been denied offer of appointment. Now the greed part is that if a candidate is already serving in BS-17 why he has to conceal that fact and join another BS-17 post? Before his joining of DRAP I have had conversation with him for letting me join the DRAP. I remember his words, He said, as He is on the 1st position therefore he has the right to decided whether to join DRAP or remain in National Saving. My question is that if a government employee needs NOC from previous department to join a new one, How he could have that right? when he didn't have had that NOC? This kind of greed spoiled the position and I am still in BS-14. People talk about destiny and Allah ne ap k liy kuch behtar socha hoga and all that. I admit it. par jo galat ho raha hy usko kam se kam galat to kaho?
This is a very useful post, i am an unemployed person hence do not have anything directly contributing to your original question, so you might find my answer useless (I apologize for that in advance)
A major issue that can be linked to your case is about mentality + nomenclature.

Granted he is a BS-17 officer in National Savings, and might even be earning slightly higher salary than Darp. But the thing prevalent in our society is Nomenclature.

His post was savings officer. Now he can go on and tell everybody, ‘i am an assistant director now at darp’. Consequently his peers would tell each other ‘tumhein pata hai wo a.d ban gaya hai?’
Parents take extra pride in saying, ‘saada puttar a.d hai’

Disclaimer: such generalizations cannot be applied on everyone and doing so will be too much judgemental on our part, but you get the overall idea.

Why did I wrote such a lengthy reply?
Ans. I have personally seen numerous talented individuals who were extremely adept at programming and who chose engineering just to be called/referred as an engineer in the society.
Their peers, be it in computer science, software engineering, etc. are today earning far far better by securing freelance project, outsourcing assignments, whereas these ‘so-called engineers/ naam-ke engineers’ are stuck at meagre salaries and trying to find a way out of this predicament.

Again, not every engineer is the same , neither every student is incompetent.

My guess: once he joined Darp, the charm wore off, he realized whatever shines isn’t always gold since he deduced he was better off in his older position in savings, so he went back there.
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It is the right of a govt employee to get NOC and join other departments in same or higher grades. But once he rejoined his old department, if it happened in a year then the person on waiting list should be called. If more than a year, then fresh appointment should be made. You should raise voice against it. secondly don't give up, just keep on trying. one day you'll this damn BPS -17. But trust you won't be happy even then and will have greed for BPS-18 and so on. This is nature
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Aslamoalaikum All.
I am starting the subject thread with a real case of mine. Its about Greed. Greed to snatch a BS-17 job or any other grade job. The greed cannot be attributed to all but you'll find it among most of competing individuals. Now here I go. I have been working in BS-14 since 2007. I have earned MBA degree in 2014 and started my journey in the pursuit of BS-17. I have been in competition of conventional positions of ADs in IB, ISI and others through FPSC, NTS etc. Finally I got a chance to secure 2nd Position in Drug Regulatory Authority of Pakistan (DRAP) for the position of AD (Admn). The guy on the 1st position (I omit his name) was already serving in National Saving of Pakistan as Saving Officer (BS-17), he told me himself when we met at the interview. There was one position and five candidates were called for interview. But only 1st and 2nd candidates on merit attended the interview. Interview was fine. But DRAP decided to offer the appointment in all categories for 192 positions to the candidates who are in the 1st position of written part of merit list. So in my case the offer letter goes to the 1st guy. He concealed the fact that he is already serving in BS-17. He applied for paid leave from National Saving of Pakistan and came all the way from Karachi to Islamabad and joined the DRAP on Monday. On Friday he telephoned me to meet in person. He told me that he has resigned and DRAP assured him that next candidate will be given a chance as well which didn't happen. The post remained consumed. I have been denied offer of appointment. Now the greed part is that if a candidate is already serving in BS-17 why he has to conceal that fact and join another BS-17 post? Before his joining of DRAP I have had conversation with him for letting me join the DRAP. I remember his words, He said, as He is on the 1st position therefore he has the right to decided whether to join DRAP or remain in National Saving. My question is that if a government employee needs NOC from previous department to join a new one, How he could have that right? when he didn't have had that NOC? This kind of greed spoiled the position and I am still in BS-14. People talk about destiny and Allah ne ap k liy kuch behtar socha hoga and all that. I admit it. par jo galat ho raha hy usko kam se kam galat to kaho?
This is really a very good post. We, The educated people must think before doing such kind of ghatiya pan. This greed is surely one of the biggest reasons of unemployment in country. I couldn't even get the answer of this question,'' why people run after a new job in the same grade if they are already in a good position."

But according to my understanding this is what we call immaturity. We people are not focused and have no clear professional goals. Hm ko tu paisa chahiey yeh nai pta k hm life main krna kya chahty.

At university level,I have seen people serving on more than one seats. This is pathetic.bht gussa ha aisy logon pr but forum k rules k mutabiq wo language use nai ki ja skti yahan.

hm logon ko is cheez ka shaor zaror hona chahiey k hmary is greed sy dosron pr kya guzar jati ha
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Aslamoalaikum All.
I am starting the subject thread with a real case of mine. Its about Greed. Greed to snatch a BS-17 job or any other grade job. The greed cannot be attributed to all but you'll find it among most of competing individuals. Now here I go. I have been working in BS-14 since 2007. I have earned MBA degree in 2014 and started my journey in the pursuit of BS-17. I have been in competition of conventional positions of ADs in IB, ISI and others through FPSC, NTS etc. Finally I got a chance to secure 2nd Position in Drug Regulatory Authority of Pakistan (DRAP) for the position of AD (Admn). The guy on the 1st position (I omit his name) was already serving in National Saving of Pakistan as Saving Officer (BS-17), he told me himself when we met at the interview. There was one position and five candidates were called for interview. But only 1st and 2nd candidates on merit attended the interview. Interview was fine. But DRAP decided to offer the appointment in all categories for 192 positions to the candidates who are in the 1st position of written part of merit list. So in my case the offer letter goes to the 1st guy. He concealed the fact that he is already serving in BS-17. He applied for paid leave from National Saving of Pakistan and came all the way from Karachi to Islamabad and joined the DRAP on Monday. On Friday he telephoned me to meet in person. He told me that he has resigned and DRAP assured him that next candidate will be given a chance as well which didn't happen. The post remained consumed. I have been denied offer of appointment. Now the greed part is that if a candidate is already serving in BS-17 why he has to conceal that fact and join another BS-17 post? Before his joining of DRAP I have had conversation with him for letting me join the DRAP. I remember his words, He said, as He is on the 1st position therefore he has the right to decided whether to join DRAP or remain in National Saving. My question is that if a government employee needs NOC from previous department to join a new one, How he could have that right? when he didn't have had that NOC? This kind of greed spoiled the position and I am still in BS-14. People talk about destiny and Allah ne ap k liy kuch behtar socha hoga and all that. I admit it. par jo galat ho raha hy usko kam se kam galat to kaho?
He assigned from NS or DRAP?
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That's why greed is curse.Someone who snatches others' right will definitely pay for it one day.Allah Almighty will give much more than this .
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Thank you all for giving different perspectives to the question. The wanted to join DRAP as a.d because it has a salary around 70k... while he was drawing around 40k... And reason he resigned is that He was settled at karachi and within a week he realised that it a single portion house in g.9 sector can simply cost around 40k besides other factors.... By the way the rule quoted above that within one year a post can be offered to 2nd candidate... this condition only applys when 1st candidate does not join... once a person joins the offer.. the is deemed to have been filled... I approached Wafaqi mohtasib.. they sought advice from establishment division.. they seconded drap's point of view.

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It is the right of a govt employee to get NOC and join other departments in same or higher grades. But once he rejoined his old department, if it happened in a year then the person on waiting list should be called. If more than a year, then fresh appointment should be made. You should raise voice against it. secondly don't give up, just keep on trying. one day you'll this damn BPS -17. But trust you won't be happy even then and will have greed for BPS-18 and so on. This is nature
The problem is greed... the didn't informed DRAP that he is already workin in govt... but when I told them they asked me for proof... i approached national saving office... unhon ne truk ki batti k peechy laga diya.. ye karo vo karo.. darkhast yahan jama karao.. vahan jao.. karty karty men wafaqi mohtsib court gaua.. 6 maheeny hearing hui.. kuch b ni hoa...
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Bro, if he trusted you with truth. You should have stayed quiet. Khair thing is that they offered him job first being on merit and it was his right to take it or pass regardless of NOC. what if he hadn't shared it with you? Then? You did be thinking otherwise. Chapter closed. Simply it wasn't your time.

Stay positive, work hard and keep try. I know a person who kept bps16 position in customs despite being selected as AD. So it all depends on circumstances.
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I couldn't even get the answer of this question,'' why people run after a new job in the same grade if they are already in a good position."
Because unfortunately, all BS-17 jobs are not the same e.g. we can't compare an AD in the ISI/IB to a savings officer in the National Savings even though both are grade 17 officers. Power over money

And honestly, I don't see anything wrong with it if:
a) the post in the "more powerful" organization is fulfilled on merit.
b) the candidate aspiring to make the move does not conceal the fact that they're already serving in the same pay scale in a different organization.
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Because unfortunately, all BS-17 jobs are not the same e.g. we can't compare an AD in the ISI/IB to a savings officer in the National Savings even though both are grade 17 officers. Power over money

And honestly, I don't see anything wrong with it if:
a) the post in the "more powerful" organization is fulfilled on merit.
b) the candidate aspiring to make the move does not conceal the fact that they're already serving in the same pay scale in a different organization.
why you don't see the greed behind it. The guy ruined the post besides my dreams.... you are saying you don't see something wrong.... there is a huge difference between asuming that one should not conceal the fact and actually concealing it in greed.
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