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Gandhi is a saint in politicians and a politician in saints.
This is basically referring to two contrasting attributes of Gandhi's personality.
As a saint - his policy of non violence and tolerance.
He fought for rights of the oppressed in Africa and then in India- always through peaceful means.

But he was no less of a politician, as well.
As a politician- he was cunning and even deceitful at time.
He never missed any chance to use the public approval and acceptance gained through altruism for political gains.
You can quote his role in Khilafat movement as an example here. Apparently he was helping Muslims but strategically he was working for Hindus advantage.

Since Jinnah said that remember the emphasis here is on the second part
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You can quote his role in Khilafat movement as an example here. Apparently he was helping Muslims but strategically he was working for Hindus advantage.
How strategically he was working for Hindus? He promised a non violence movement but after a violence at chora chori he backed off and that's it. No?
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How strategically he was working for Hindus? He promised a non violence movement but after a violence at chora chori he backed off and that's it. No?
See Jinnah was against this khilafat movement and he was against it for a reason. He said that it was unconstitutional, he also said that non-cooperation movement is not practical and it won't serve the purpose.

More or less it was a self-destructive movement adopted by Muslims of India. It was neither logical nor rational or practical. Of course we can't dump that all on Gandhi after all he wasn't the one who issued decrees (fatwas) to migrate to Afghanistan, or to resign from the very few hard earned jobs still kept by Muslims, or to stop sending their children to govt educational institutions or even the Muslim institutions accepting govt grants (including Aligarh)! We obviously had our very own 'thoughtful' leaders carving out these strategies But the again he was there - leading. So Hindus were part of the leadership with that token presence and Muslims were bearing all costs alone.

And the timing at which he left the movement- not to say that chora chori was orchestrated by him as an excuse to quit the movement but that was a terrible time to desert Muslims. It was right after 'Jail bharo tahreek' when Muslims leaders started offering voluntary arrests- all those leader were in jail. Howver, mindless they were but they were the leaders after all And after Gandhi left there was no one outside to tell Muslims what's next. As a movement, it was a drastic failure! And after our own selves we have him to blame for.

It was like Muslims were bent upon destroying themselves and he was there making sure they do it to utmost.

And see this violence- was that a surprise after all. Isn't it what all agitations lead to? Couldn't he foresee it? Jinnah could! He told them then and there at Nagpur session.

This is what mobs do, they don't have faces or religions. When you ignite peoples' emotions no one controls them not even you. It's like Imran and Qadri taking thousand to constitutional avenue urging them to topple down the regime and then saying we don know who those people were, we don have anything to do with the attacks.

Back to the point there had been agitations and violence by Hindu mobs too, he never used it as an excuse to quit Congress. Then why Khilafat movement? His role in Khalafat movement was that of a pied piper not a leader.
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See Jinnah was against this khilafat movement and he was against it for a reason. He said that it was unconstitutional, he also said that non-cooperation movement is not practical and it won't serve the purpose.

More or less it was a self-destructive movement adopted by Muslims of India. It was neither logical nor rational or practical. Of course we can't dump that all on Gandhi after all he wasn't the one who issued decrees (fatwas) to migrate to Afghanistan, or to resign from the very few hard earned jobs still kept by Muslims, or to stop sending their children to govt educational institutions or even the Muslim institutions accepting govt grants (including Aligarh)! We obviously had our very own 'thoughtful' leaders carving out these strategies But the again he was there - leading. So Hindus were part of the leadership with that token presence and Muslims were bearing all costs alone.

And the timing at which he left the movement- not to say that chora chori was orchestrated by him as an excuse to quit the movement but that was a terrible time to desert Muslims. It was right after 'Jail bharo tahreek' when Muslims leaders started offering voluntary arrests- all those leader were in jail. Howver, mindless they were but they were the leaders after all And after Gandhi left there was no one outside to tell Muslims what's next. As a movement, it was a drastic failure! And after our own selves we have him to blame for.

It was like Muslims were bent upon destroying themselves and he was there making sure they do it to utmost.

And see this violence- was that a surprise after all. Isn't it what all agitations lead to? Couldn't he foresee it? Jinnah could! He told them then and there at Nagpur session.

This is what mobs do, they don't have faces or religions. When you ignite peoples' emotions no one controls them not even you. It's like Imran and Qadri taking thousand to constitutional avenue urging them to topple down the regime and then saying we don know who those people were, we don have anything to do with the attacks.

Back to the point there had been agitations and violence by Hindu mobs too, he never used it as an excuse to quit Congress. Then why Khilafat movement? His role in Khalafat movement was that of a pied piper not a leader.
I still can't find any negative point in Gandhi. We can't brand him as an opportunist just because of khilfat movement. If we brand him so then what we will call Jinah for triggering " direct action day"?
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I still can't find any negative point in Gandhi. We can't brand him as an opportunist just because of khilfat movement. If we brand him so then what we will call Jinah for triggering " direct action day"?
No one said Gandhi was negative. It was- he was a politician in saints!

Jinnah was a politician, a leader and a statesman, he never entered the saint contest. He said ' They say I have formed a coalition with the British. Tell them I will form coalition even with the devil if that be in favor of Muslims of India'.

But in any case, you are entitled to your opinion and so am I. Why are we wasting time here trying to convince each other, when we have a panel to convince.

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Artemis. You have applied for which post in MoD. for AD or some other one???
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Artemis. You have applied for which post in MoD. for AD or some other one???
I have applied in case they have to let go Rizwan Akhtar.
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No one said Gandhi was negative. It was- he was a politician in saints!

Jinnah was a politician, a leader and a statesman, he never entered the saint contest. He said ' They say I have formed a coalition with the British. Tell them I will form coalition even with the devil if that be in favor of Muslims of India'.

But in any case, you are entitled to your opinion and so am I. Why are we wasting time here trying to convince each other, when we have a panel to convince.

Good luck!
Infact I'm unable to judge Gandhi that's why I was asking. I think he was a fine man contrary to what we have been indoctrinated.

Panel hails from security obsessed institution and Gandhi must be evil for them but he doesn't seem to be evil to me and that's the paradoxeyes:
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I have applied in case they have to let go Rizwan Akhtar.

Yeah he may already be thinking about early retirement After all Two of a trade can never agree
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