Is PCS DDO (revenue) part of DMG??

[Aariz Ahmad]

Hello all,
The candidates selected for DMG group from CSS are initially assigned the post of DDO (revenue). So the people getting DDO (Revenue) from PCS are also the part of DMG and can become DCO later on or its not true?

I also want to ask what are the facilities (house, car, etc) given to DDO (revenue) from PCS?

[mb raja dharejo]

Similarities:
1. Both get the jobs of District Management including DCOs.
2. Same perks previleges.
3. Same status. In punjab, there is PMS (PCS+PSS combined form) so there is conflict of job specification. current conflict originated on this point in punjab.
Differences:
1. Promotions are relatively slower in PCS Cadre as compared to federal cadre,
Federal= 11 years in getting BS-19, Ex-PCS= 14 years.
2. In DMG u can be posted in any of the part of Pakistan in any sector of government including District administration. While in Ex-PCS u r only restricted to ur province mainly in district administration.
3. In sindh, there is a strong lobby of PCS Officers, so there is very little discrimination between DMG and PCS Officers but it does exist.
4. Foreign trainings and assignments are more associated with DMG Officers due to their link to federal government.
5. Future is brighter for PCS due to 18th Amenedment.
6. Great Horizontal & Vertical mobility in DMG which is lesser n limted in Ex-PCS.
7. You go till BS-22 in DMG (if age permits) while u go till BS-21 usually in Ex-PCS.
Conclusion:-
Among Federal cadre, DMG is the best, Among Provincial cadre, Executive PCS is the best.
While DMG is better than Ex-PCS but Ex-PCS is wholly District Administration.

[Aariz Ahmad]

@ Dharejo
What were your optionals in PCS-2008?

[mb raja dharejo]

Anatomy
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[candidatespsc]

no both r not same.

[Aariz Ahmad]

@ candidate spsc
Would you kindly elaborate the difference between the two.

[DEVOLUTION GEEK]

I am in complete favour of bro Raja Dharejo's point of view. People run after CSS but the fact is that PCS (Exec) of Sindh is far better than Foreign Service and all the remaining groups after it in terms of power, prestige and even promotions. Even at the district level, PCS outstrips DMG.
Following are the facts:

1) PCS officers form the largest number of DCOs (Approx:18/23 districts are occupied by PCS officers and the rest of the 5 districts are distributed among DMGs and one OMG)
2) PCS officers have the same starting point, same working privileges as of DMGs.
3) In FSP and the remaining groups, one is only limited to his department but PCS officer in district is the head of 13 departments.
4) PCS has more horizontal and vertical mobility even far more than PSP
5) PCS officers have very strong monopoly and even DMG officers can't get them transferred.
6) PCS officers enjoy better seats in all the vertical hierarchy than their DMG counterparts.
7) Only in Secretariat, DMG officers outsmart PCS in the number of Provincial Secretaries (Approx: 15/28 Secretaries are of provincial cadre)

So if I were in your boots then I would enlist my preference list as:-

1) DMG
2) PSP
3) PCS (EXEC)
4) FSP
5) OTHER RANK AND FILE GROUPS

[Babakhan]

@Devolution geek

These all points you have made in your post may be discussed after the confirmation of your job on permanent basis. Here in Sindh treacherous attitude of concerned parties including politicians and bureaucratic attitude have made the allocation to these jobs very uncertain and taken the previous batch of CCE 2003 even to the verge of exit from their jobs as recommendations from Anti Corruption Department for their removal is pending in Chief Secretary’s office and as per my knowledge this will be done near future as CM has asked Chief Secretary to let the court remove them otherwise they will on the recommendations of Anti Corruption .

• It is the province where tendency of case petitions lodged against PCS exam are higher than any other thing even people have this attitude of knocking the doors of court after the lapse of 4 years.
• It is the province where existing Chairman and controller examination never shy away from selecting their own son and brothers and invite people to keep on filing the petitions on said exam for ages. As per my knowledge Three groups have already filed a petitions against CCE 2008 and I don’t how many are waiting to lodge the petitions in coming years. Few will independently file those petitions and others will be having the backing of stronger people of our province.

• It is the province where politicians think that all Grade-17 and above posts are their property and if given to somebody else not belonging to them than they will not allow any other person to take benefit of the same

• A new trend has emerged in Sindh where politician backed or bureaucracy backed court petitioners have emerged. They only file the petition of the instructions of politicians and other and rest of the job will be done by them. Courts after petitions obviously contact all concerned departments such as SPSC to verify the claims of petitioners and than this whole game starts.

This has made me to reach a conclusion that in Sindh CSS or allocation through FPSC is the only viable solution and they provide a chance to reach to grade 21/22. On top of all jobs provided through FPSC have this element of certainty which is desired by every of the aspirants. Already employed people who will leave their existing careers need this security more than a person who is unemployed. Since last CCE 2003 this element of security is horrendously missing and I contrary to list of groups provided by Devolution Geek recommends the CSS candidates to even place Postal and Information group above PCS(Sindh).

[DEVOLUTION GEEK]

@BabaKhan

I was taking about the number of PCS officers serving as DCOs i.e. The number game. But as far as the on the ground practical situation is concerned, you are absolutely right. For an ordinary candidate with no political push of MQM and PPP, CSS is the best option.

[Babakhan]

@Devolution Geek

I appreciate your opinion that without intense backing of powerful political parties you won’t be able to capture any prominent slot in the Governing machinery. This number game is bound to decrease as Sindh High Court in its different verdicts in recent past has promulgated that an Officer below Grade- 20 must not be installed as DCO/ DC of the district and they removed many to set an example for current govt. and soon others will be removed who are not up to the standard prescribed by the court. Further more, court has also attached a list of formalities pertaining to the training and courses required to be attended by officer in order to become DCO. For a PCS/PSS officer reaching a grade 20 may take good 20-25 years and more. On the other hand a CSS officer can meet the standard prescribed by the court in lesser period of time that is why the chances of CSS officers rushing to the provinces for acquiring these posts will be higher in near future and it will become mandatory because finding a grade 20 in PCS/PSS is quite difficult. In previous years courts were not that efficient and vibrant and politicians used to take this advantage of placing their below standard officer but this trend has reversed by courts and now officer coming up to the standard will be posted on these posts. Majority of the officers you see as DCOs will be sent back as court petitioners and courts will not allow them to work if they don’t reach the standard.


After abolishing the Posts of EDO and by looking at the plan of MQM and PPP to clip the powers of District administration in the name of devolution and transferring of the same powers to Nazims. MQM is a reality and is going to stay here in Sindh for indefinite period with even more number of seats. They are absolutely against the power delegation to officers. These all have made these posts fairly ordinary.

Other factors such as very low pay and slow promotions and expected to be very slow in future due to court interventions and acquiring of different positions from Officers from different other departments (OPS Officers) have also decreased the interest of many.

Cumulatively by looking at the pains and risks bear by aspirants during allocation and threats from courts and other elements, I would safely place any group of CSS way above PCS.

Forum fellows have every right to disagree from above mentioned observations.