so what about PAS and PSP?? will these require any special education requirement?? will an engineer or a doctor be able to opt PAS & PSP??

You seem to be in hurry bro! I have not asked what they "can" or "can not" do. Re-read my post.

P.S: In my opinion its mandatory to have BA/B.Com/BSC/BBA degree for getting admission in MBA. Direct Fsc k bad nae kr sakte aap. So no 1.5 years

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No doubt, Daisy, it is illogical after so much hard work and struggle in pursuing MBBS if one chooses to go for CSS afterwards. That's the whole point. You answered your question yourself.

How can such intelligent, bright minds be so illogical? The logic is to be found on the roads where we (doctors) can be seen almost on a daily basis demanding what we think are our natural rights. Doctors in Pakistan (especially the young doctors) have:-
-only a fraction of earning as compared to the doctors of the same age working elsewhere
-no service structure
-qualitatively and quantitatively inadequate specialist training opportunities
-the most unsafe work environments
-inhumane duty hours
-no public sympathy and awareness to support them in their fair demands

In this scenario, a young doctor only has three options after graduation:-
1) Leave Pakistan
2) CSS
3) Accept fate and join Pakistani system and develop a habit of sitting on the road every second day

I had 80 boys in my class of 300 students, in a reputed government medical college. 30 of them have gone abroad already (USA, UK, Middle East). 20 more are in the process. The rest were either short of resources or had family issues, so they stayed behind. Some of them (like me) decided to attempt CSS so that we could stay in the country and have some dignity at the same time. The remainder are working and suffering in the hospitals.

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Its not mandatory for engineers.

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These tortures and miseries are not only inflicted upon doctors but on every professional in this country, no matter he is a doctor, engineer, pharmacist, professional/chartered accountant, economist, lawyer or any other professional. All professionals in this country make only a fraction of earning when compared to the professionals of the same age working elsewhere.

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Well situation is sad and Adil Ashfaq has rightly pointed out that its more or less same in most of the fields because we live in a developing country and hopefully things will get better with the passage of time.

But this mention of doctors' protests etc. has touched my sore place over which i was so gloomy these days so let me express that I dont oppose their demands but whats more wretched are painful deaths of innocent patients because of these strikes etc..... I mean what can be more precious than a person's life.......??? I know they go on strike because nobody listen to them in other way and unfortunately strikes and sit in protests have become the right way to solve any issue in our country but will they do the same if (God forbid) some member of their own family is lying in critical condition in the same hospital? It was heartbreaking to hear about expiry of 10 patients recently in Karachi when doctors were sitting on roads. Can they imagine the level of pain and helplessness of those people who lost their loved ones in all this matter..... How can such merciless doctors be successful in their motives when they have earned the sobs of so many families.... And sorry to say atleast i dont feel any sympathy for these doctors in "this" situation. They should be humans first and doctors later. There can be some other way.... There should be...... Its not impossible..... But getting your goals at the cost of human lives and pressurizing government using these tactics is totally ruthless and intolerable!

Coming back to topic, i think its not a good solution to quit the field. I remember the words of an ASP who said that he wants to join the Police because this field is notorious for many reasons and Problems in a system can be solved only by jumping in the system, not by skipping them.. Ofcourse its not easy, but some day some one will have to take first step with positive intentions.

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No doubt it looks like in cluster based CE, most of the affected class will be professionals like Doctors, Engineers, Pharmacist, Dentist etc means who have non accounting, finance, management degrees.
But I am hopeful that FPSC will include us, as FPSC gives value to every candidate and I don't think so that FPSC will drop Bio, Physics and Chemistry professionals...FPSC will come up with something.
FPSC knows that there is no occupational group which require these professionals but FPSC is very well aware of the fact that some of best minds dwell in such professionals so FPSC will never drop us. Mostly doctors are at top in CE every year and group like PSP can have us. So fingers crossed and be hopeful.

Never in a doctors' strike has an emergency been closed. We close the OPDs which operate from 8-2, and anyone who has ever visited a hospital knows that serious patients present to the Emergency and not the OPD. In fact, during the days of strike, Emergency is overloaded because we treat even some of the OPD patients in it! And, in case you don't know: Emergencies operate 24/7. No Eids, Independence Days, 9,10th Muharram, and other such days when everyone else is chilling in their homes ever relieve the doctors of the emergency duties.

The number of deaths appearing on the media is misleading and I don't blame you or anyone else to develop negative opinions based on misinformation. Patients die in emergencies on a daily basis. On strike days, the media personnel obtain a record of the deaths on that particular day in the emergency and report it with a headline, "Doctors' strike claimed __ lives". For those who know how things work, this very notion of patients dying due to the closure of OPDs is absurd and laughable. A dying patient presents to the emergency, s/he has nothing to do with the OPD!

Lastly, I would like to address what Adil has said. Though I am in agreement with his argument of professionals in general being at a disadvantage in Pakistan as a whole, I am bothered by this tendency to compare engineers, pharmacists and other professionals with doctors. This is not because I have some superiority complex, I just find this comparison similar to comparing apples with oranges. Just as doctors don't know the work environment and nature of duties of the engineers and other professionals, non-doctors too don't have any idea about the hospital conditions. The level of competition to reach a medical college, the stress of going through a five-year long period of studying of the toughest stuff that there is, doing a house job where you work ~100 hours a week (12 hour per day average), being unable to stay off work even on public holidays, equally rigorous Post-graduate training etc; all of these things at least make us worthy of a status/privileges given to the civil servants on administrative posts. We are the ones doing "civil service" in true sense of the term. If we don't even get a proper service structure after all of this, then I am afraid this nation deserves the massive brain drain which is already in progress.

P. S.
Apologies to the thread starter for discussing something which is totally unrelated to the theme of the thread.

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Well this is now awkward situation for me. I think I was naive to believe what was broadcasted through media as "breaking news".... And you have now cleared everything which is really soothing. Being just I should not hesitate to say sorry so accept my apologies.

Rest, I have not even 0.01% doubt on hardwork or intelligence of Doctors thats why I had raised my question that why they change their profession after such untiring efforts in their studies etc. I agree completely that they are true "civil servants" and truly deserve eminent prestige, supportive environment and honor in their field so they may not feel need to appear in any other competitive exams for this purpose

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Why strikes? Who has to suffer? Why to make suffer a common man every other day? Why to play with the health of others?

These strikes wreak havoc on the poor people of Pakistan. No, doubt these strikes are wicked notions. These tactics show, the doctors are trying to gain advantages due to the helplessness of others just to get their demands fulfilled and this is by no means ethical.

Generally employees are paid lesser in government jobs but that is not a case with doctors. Doctors already get a better pay when compared with the other government servants having similar duration of experience. Who gets paid more than Rs 55,000 at start in a government job except a doctor? If someone is not satisfied with government job then he must not rush towards government jobs but it is unjustifiable to tease impecunious people.

About duty hours i would say, many of the policemen have even worse duty hours but they get paid meagre salaries with many life threats. No doubt doctors work hard during their studies but that goes right with engineers, pharmacists, chartered accountants and many other professionals who get their degrees with their sedulous efforts. It is pertinent to mention here that huge sums of money are spent by the state on the education of doctors and they owe it to the state and to the poverty-stricken people of this land.

PS- better service structure is the right of every employee of the state.

PPS- Big appology to the starter of this thread for annihilating the soul of this thread. Sir, on the issue of doctors, i won't be commenting on this thread anymore.

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