Lets cut the crap.CSS is not worth it.When i see young peoples obsessing with CSS i feel myself duty bound to tell the the truth.

1)CSS is for elite class only

So you think we live in meritocracy?How come talent protrudes in imam ul haq when his uncle was chief selector.How come faisal iqbal become lead batsman when his uncle was chief coach?why all the progeny of generals and colonels are born fit for army?

No,you are an optimist and you think CSS is somehow exempt from corruption and nepotism.

just answer few questions.

where will the sons and daughters of all the ministers,Gernerals,Judges,Landlords,secertaries and chief secertaries go?And considering the fact that rich people love their kids more than common rubbish Pakistanis.

2)They want you to believe in system

they tell you that if you work hard, persevere and put your utmost effort you can do it.which is complete crap and lies.Statistically the rags to riches tales in CSS is so negligible that you have to be an exception.If you do not believe in their system it won't work.It will unveil the roots of our inherent corruption

3)Life of CSP is shitty

Do u know that a DMG officer of 20 grade tried to steal a qatari envoy's Purse-here is Zarar Haider shb.

Do you know that a CSS officer and DPO committed suicide after exposing himself naked after drug overdose-Here is Jahanzaib khan kakar

A newly inducted ASP was found to be ring leader of drug gang in sindh.

these are few examples.You can not change society with your fancy english the reins of our society lies with the force which we can not mention here.

4)change is an Illusion

If you look at all the aristocrats and rich brats in our country,their fathers and grandfathers were aristocrats even before foundation of Pakistan.If you are born poor the most you can do get a decent job,wife and small car and that will be the pinnacle of your achievements.The Arbab shahzad khan who is reforming your CSS belongs to the richest family in KPK.The status quo won't suddenly disappear with your petty posts on twitter and facebook.

5)The Elephant in the room-the obvious questions.

some of you might argue,But we know people who were very poor and got allocated?

And you are discouraging us!

Lets look at some facts.The persons who got allocated despite their poverty shows the clever slight of hand by elite.They need sidekicks and clerks.who would do the petty job if some poor brats aren't selected.These poor people spend their life scrounging through files and never enjoy the elite life.This is a hoax.

And i am not discouraging you.Keep on your studies as its better to do something than nothing

no one knows his END, life is a game of CHESS, similarly, no piece knows her fate, its important to be above the board instead of being in side box.
if you are 100% right in your claims, even then, people love to be part of this CSS GAME:

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I respectfully disagree with whatever you said above.

CSS is for Elite:
There is difference between Cricket and CSS my brother. Secondly, Imam ul Haq has the highest average among all the openers played for Pakistan, and how many matches did Faisal Iqbal played ? Only 18 ODIs. Where is he now ? Yeah, that's right, no one have heard of him in years. Because being a parchi can get you in but if you are incompetent you will go no where. And let me tell u why the children of generals and csps follow the footstep of their parents because they are fimiliar with the lifestyle from day one. They know what they want, they prepare theirself for this since birth, they get the best education as compare to the poors and no need to search for guidance outside, it is available right inside their homes, so all this gives them advantage as compare to the others.

2) They want to believe in system:

So you think all the csps serving belong to influential families ? Show me atleast one year result in which all qualified candidates belong to influential families, I bet majority will be from middle class families like yours and mine and a few will belong to influential families.

3) Life of CSP is shitty:
So according to u if one steal something or commit suicide, the whole cadre/service become shitty ? Do all PAS officers steal or all PSP officers commit suicide ? Or according to you if a farmar steals and a businessman commit suicide the whole farmar and business community is shitty ?

4) Change is an illusion:
So, Arbab Shehzad belong to the rich family and according to u the status quo wont change so we should stop trying ? As the brother said, "no one knows his END, life is a game of CHESS, similarly, no piece knows her fate, its important to be above the board instead of being in side box."

5) Addressing the Elephant:
That's funny, so according to you if u are not selected/allocated as csp it is some big sazish and if some poor candidates comes on top its a saazish too. Come on man, really ?

I am not here to start a debate, saw your post and couldnt agree with the post because people sacrify so much for CSS and the struggle and hardwork they put in this, after all this, when they make it, you simply cant say that they are sifarshi/parchi or some clerks for general's or bureaucrat's son, so had to express my views. Anyone can agree or disagree with my views.

Regards

CSS is not just to qualify in fact its for refining and grooming your personality. It teaches to be optimistic because its the only virtue that can hold you best in this cruel world(according to you corrupt world). So if it will just give us this approach then we will be happy. Rather then those who can not qualify because of their negativity and want others to do that too. I feel bad for you. Be optimistic (INside or Outside CSS)

well said very nice answer.

Dear Qublai khan!
You are right at lots of your claims but yet your approach is unitary, not universal. As five fingers are not equal same likely all the CSPs cannot be morally good. We hear some people say this “All bureaucrats are corrupted”
 all the time, but is it true?
It is true. 

At least to the people that speak it.
 It’s true for them because words become beliefs.
 It’s true for them because they believe it.

 When we are conditioned to believe something we tend to find examples to back up our beliefs, and if you are determined to prove your point you will find many examples to back it up.
I rather prefer to focus on the flip side and I can understand everyone talks upon their own experiences and exposers, you might have confronted with some harsh realities of life that you wished others to be informed about. it is also true that an officer son shall be an officer with ease as compared to others. In realistic point of you, all your imputes have a place in our society, however, the universe isn't run by these affluents but someone greater than that and HE is the compassionate and loves forbearance. Furthermore, HE never Spends thoughtlessly and throws away the hard work of any of HIS individual. If you have worked hard, wait please, you would get its fruits sooner or later, in a straightforward way or in an evasive manner.
The real game behind all these of hardships is the acquisition of wealth, security and authority that every one of us, thinks may lead them towards the inner peace of mind. Confirmed and firmed security, I affirm, is never possible here in this world because we human beings, by all means, are very frail and feeble creatures. Every human of us is fallible to some degree where one fall and fierce hit with the floor is enough for the soul to be a departure from our body. Similarly, authority doesn't suit with such fragile creatures. Therefore I want to shed some light which love is considered to be the root of all evils. Although, to me, there's no concept of poverty or richness physically, however, it's all about time. Some people have a good time while others don't. If you're having an open heart; you can endure others while touching the height of their achievements, you can feel the pain of others, you can share your own food with others with no return and you have found your source of happiness in other joyness___indeed, I can say, you're very rich.
Contrarily, if you cannot endure others success; you always envy for others, you're wishing to snatch their peace, you want to ruin others and eventually your happiness' source is in their failures___ obviously you are ruined internally and your poverty has met the sky. You need to understand that you can't enhance even your RIZQ by escalating your money. A junk of money may pass through your hands and you will only take the meagre %age from it which is pre-written for you. On the flip side, at the end of the day, we will have to be accountable for our own wealth. In this context, greater the wealth greater will be chances of getting caught. Therefore, don't wish for a luxurious life because our wishes know no end, those are always infinite. You are by no mean capable to meet them, only mud can do that. The Wisest people are those who came to know about it and accept this truth as soon as possible___learnt to be patience on their current conditions by giving thanks to ALLAH for what they have been blessed. And wait for the consent of ALLAH in each and every aspects of their lives.

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Dear Farhan and the other two people shah and darkside..
Everything is happening in your own minds.You people are in need of hope and these exams are like political slogans which gives you hope.Here are few of your misconceptions
1)You people think that all of us have same opportunity and probability of passing the exam-wrong,you can not be more wrong than that.Our system favors the powerful.What is your petty life as compared to the precious life of s bajwa's son or chief justice or any other powerful person.Did you forget how Iftikhar Arsalan become CSP and Chairman of BOI.

2)You people think that those times are gone when the elite used to rule us.seriously??Lets look at the profiles of the most powerful people in our country.
PM Imran Khan-son of civil engineer,family of famous cricketers and oxford alumni
Bilawal bhutto-His grandfather was prime minister of junagarh even before creation of Pakistan
Bajwa-son of lieutinet colonel...and FYI british commissioned aristocrats only
Shah Mehmood-scion of some big Peer in multan owns thousands of acres of land

who are you kidding?Tell me a single person in cabinet who has common background like you and me?These are the landlords.This is callled status quo.

and you think you are equal to aristocrats?in your dreams bro!
The system has been engineered to give you hope so that you won't revolt.They show you the bright side but they are not willing to give you the life you deserve.

You people are so eager to contradict me because you need illusion of hope.Just hope to live for.
and darksider im not referring to just cricket.i want you to apply the example of imamul haq and faisal to big picture.All the media have eyes on selection process in cricket,when it can happen so brazenly in cricket,what do you expect in scretive process like CSS

Haha nice one bro, the debate started about CSS exam being crap and not worth it and filled through sifarshi, I answered all your misconceptions one by one in paragraphs and asked you questions in return, so instead of giving reply to my questions you turned the discussion to politics and being ruled by elite class. Great, I can see why many candidates dont make it in CSS, because the examiner ask them one thing and they misinterpret the question and answer something different, flunk the subject and curse the examiner saying "oh i had given great answers I dont know why the examiner failed me, oh he must have passed all the sifarshi." But let me give a try to answer your this post too.

If what you said is even remotly true even then I will prefer to hope rathar than being hopeless, my hope brought me this far and you dont even want to know from where I started and how far I came. Yes, there are exceptions, as there are exceptions in other fields, and there might be a few cases, merely 10-15 % in which sifarshi gets through but the majority is not like what you said. Yes, there are a lot of army personnels and csps who's children follow their parents footstep but I gave you the reason for this in my last post, you can refer to it. You mentioned the son of one Chief Justice about how he became a CSP. What about the children of all other Army chiefs and Chief Justices ? You might refer a few individuals that xxx general's son is/was in army or xxx CJ's son is/was a csp but tell me how many of them excelled in their field ? As I said in my previous post, being a parchi will get you in but if you are incompetent, you will get nowhere. So tell me how many of their children are army generals and federal secretaries ?

Oh, I didnt contradict on the fact that we are being ruled by the elites, where does I said that we are not? Obviously they do, but politics is a different ball game as compare to civil service. A politician try to come on top to "rule" and civil servant is a "sarkari naukar" so why would the son of politician leave his elite life style and opportunity to "rule" and choose to become a "sarkari naukar" because even if he reach BS 22, he still will be "sarkari naukar" why not just follow his parent footstep and becomes a "ruler"? That why I can say that CSS exam is mostly based on merit and everyone appearing have an equal chance because those who belong to elite class/political families will follow their parents to rule not to become a "sarkari naukar". There might be a few cases who joined civil service but that will be so few that you would be able to count on your fingers. And Yes, Imran Khan's father was Civil Engineer, Yes, he attended Oxford but tell me one thing, how many Civil Engineers are there in Pakistan ? Give me a rough estimate ? I bet it will be in thousands, I can safely say you can find dosens of them on this forum too, so tell me how many of their children went to Oxford or became Captain of Pakistan Cricket team and became PM ? What you said totally negate your own words because Imran Khan didnt belong to political family. And the premiereship was not offered to him in a plate, he didnt sat there and just rant about the system, he wanted to become PM and went head on against those who were in power for decades, he struggled 22 years for it and became PM. By the way, I am not IK's fan but saying this to answer your question. About General Bajwa, Yes, his father was Lt Col, If you read my previous post carefully you will see I gave you reply why a soldier's children or a csp's children follow their parent footsteps and how they got through so wont go into details again but see General Bajwa was competent that why he bested his father and became a 4 star army General. And the other two you mentioned, Bilawal Bhutto and Shah Mehmood Qureshi, again proved my point, let me tell you how brother, these two belong to political families and elite families so they followed their parents and decided to be the "rulers" , why didnt they become "sarkari naukar" ?

Oh, I know you were not talking only about cricket, you used these two to gave an example and I answered you accordingly, if you used some other example I would have answered you in that way. And I think my answer was pretty satisfactory that Imam ul Haq has the highest average among all Pakistani openers and no one have heard of Faisal Iqbal in years, I know I am being repetative but again being parchi will get you in but will get you nowhere.


If I am sounding a bit harsh or sound being rude, I am sorry for that, believe me that's not my intention. Just trying to participate in the discussion. Again, these are purely my views, anyone can agree or disagree.

Regards.

Hello bro..Darkerside
As far as i can understand u wnat to say that:

1- i have ''misconceptions''
2- CSS system is neat and fair
3- We are being ruled by elite but you are ok with it
4- Elite also struggle to make their way
5- U have struggled in this system and achieved..

Ok...so lets review...Firstly,do you hear yourself when you say these things?
When i say our society is unjust and it will remain so! I do not make things up!All of my points regarding this exam and aristocracy is supported by theories of Karl Marx,Jurgen habermas,John rawls,Daniel Khaneman and steven levitt.I would love to elaborate each and every point but i presume that you must have preliminary knowledge of the great philosophical works.

secondly,personal attacks shows lack courage to carry on a fruitful discussion.when we do not have enough theoretical evidence we naturally tend to change the course of discussion.

I respect your opinion.We can disagree on so many levels but the truth is that we live in an unjust society.You need hope to live for! in fact eveyone need a hope to live but in the end we subconsciously know that there lies infinity of nothingness.I do not care about the system.I care about those innocent souls who put their life efforts into this exam and are left with nothing.
Now you might say that CSS enables one to clear other exams like lecturer or any other 16 scale clerk or something.?Huhh...really?You burnt your prime youth for monthly 400 dollars 9 to 5 job?
Believe me i can tell you with honesty that this exam is highly exaggerated.We do not have strong corporate system or else no one would have spit on this exam.This is our colonial mentality which glamourises these posts.