i agree with you dear



And i m sorry for you cz ur suggestion would remain impractical unless you come with some stunning arguments to convince us which practicaly luks not possible. Hope you could understand the reality from the very layman language examples used by NOUMAN.....

Regards

i think any lady who is interestd in opting psp shuld watch indian movie "kia cool hain hum" by the way except a few sp's i hve neva seen or heard of ny sp running afterr dacoits or nything like dat ,u gota knw how to command its not abt jumping and running n even if it is we r proud of our womn atheletes

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@ rishzzz.

I also feel sorry for you because you lack the insight that i have got. If you could just imagine the problems faced by an ordinary women who has got no one to support her, then you would realize how important it is for the women to join PSP. It is not about the suitability, its about the requirement. Women have to be there in order to help the other women who can talk to female officers about their problems more freely.

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I don know why people here are so enthusiastic to discourage girls to join PSP.


First thing is the topic itself is not controversial. It's true that not all girls are suitable for PSP just like not all guys are. But it doesn't mean that PSP itself is unsuitable for them. You can debate on numbers, on proportions but you can't place a strict 'No' to it.

I have found a prejudice in all the arguments placed here opposing females to join. When women can become soldiers, when they can become spies then why not police officers? It is not about the gender but individual temperament.

So I Start at your final words. I know a lady who has been in service for few years by now. She says her training at police academy was the best part of her life. About her first posting she was so excited saying, “ I have that much big gun and such a vehicle”. She said, “ I was appointed for President Zardari’s security. While he was addressing, I was sitting in front carrying a gun and was thinking, “Moqa b hai dastore b hai”. I think to her that life is rewarding. Individual preferences matter a lot.

It would have been better if you guys have come up with more insight and left the decision to females whether they can cope with it or not. Instead you people are discussing like the topic of thread is ," Do you want to see females in PSP?

About the family stuff and hubbies leave it to them. It isn't everyone's prob. If anyone opts PSP her hubby will know or a to be hubby will consider it before marrying. All males are not alike. When I was new to this forum, hadn't even registered. I remember going through posts of a girl from PSP. If someone else can recall. Her husband was also in PSP and if I am not wrong suitability clause was applied in her case. If someone else can recall her it may save many other female members from discouragement that is being promoted here in this thread.

About the driver and night stuff, I have a whole story. My father is from army and a fan of general Tika Khan like many other army officers. While he was narrating to us that courage makes a good leader he said, "While Tika Khan was posted on Chamb mahaz in 1971 (i guess), his subordinates say that he was such a good commander that he never asked them 'go and attack' he always said 'follow me, lets attack'. Means he led them." Then he said, " If he saw any soldier reluctant he used to beat him with his stick. And it asks for real courage to beat someone carrying a machine gun with a stick". So the moral of story is: it isn't about the individual, it is about the post, the role he or she is in.

So I agree with Shallowwater that an officer is an officer whether male of female. Moreover departments have there rules to deal with this. I have heard that police department is very strict while dealing with cases involving females. Few years back there was a scandal, even the girl involved was from junior ranks and the guy was a to-be ASP. The complain was in a way minor but the inquiry committee said just because a female employee is involved..... he was expelled.

@fench
It is as per the spirit of Islam to have females in all such departments so when a female comes to them she is dealt by them not males.

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Dear!! Dont take it personal neither i am attacking at you personally. I m just trying to let you know that lot of members in my family are from police department and Government ranks and i have practically met many women serving in police in EXECUTIVE. They are doing the job for the sake of some real financial stake or some assisstance to their family but their interest is no where in the department though here you will quote lot of male officer's examples as well, i dont testify that all male officers are good. Neither this is a gender competition, it is about suitablity. An inspector in Police department whom i personally know, always complains that i need more vacations then the department gives and why do they call me against duty hours (Now by duty hours, she means 9-4pm) however you better know an executive force member is always on duty 24 hour. He or she can be called at any time.
I am not against their recruitment in PSP neither i said they should never join it,,i only said its not suitable for them. Think practically, you will get to know many things which you are surpassing.Once they join PSP they should work hard and must give sacrifices of their family and other matters for the sake of dignified job which every person dreams in pakistan and if she fails to do so which usually happens most of the time, then its a big loss. Gender biasness is nowhere. And people who talk about Gender baisness here and there, i even dont beleive in them. Pakistan is more or less mod like a western country we have provided Equal Emplyment Opportunities in every sector for both genders, so stop discussing gender biasness.
You said A woman should join the psp as the women can not discuss their problems with male officers...... Then according to your thesis Male officers should not deal with any women-like or related problems???? Common Give me a break!!!!


I dont think thread was being used for this purpse, GENDER DISCUSSION or anything alike, Rather you are deviating it by exaggarated opinion that v are imposing for NO....lolx



Regards

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Dear members,
If our women are performing their duties well in every department, for example in Army, Navy or Air Force etc and they are in Police department too but on lower level. If they can do their duties in Police on lower level then what is the problem for them to be the psp officers? I think our women are completely able and they have all the capabilities to join Police Service of Pakistan. There is only a need to change our mindsets,
regards.

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@ Artemis.

Finally someone has agreed to my view point. I was trying to say this that it is the individual issue of every women which service she wants to join. One cannot impose restrictions on anyone to join this group or not. If some one is fit enough and is willing to join then it does not matter whether her family life is disturbed or not.

@ Maroof hussain chishty.

I second your thoughts. Fully endorse your views.

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@ all who support Female induction in PSP at Operational level,

Dear friends It is just a discussion. no one should take any thing personal...I belive those who support female induction in PSP are just confined to books...Practically it is impossible...........It is not the matter of discrimination...Many female may feel discriminated but there are many who know the truth.................

Western ideology cant work well in Pakistan society.........

I read all the comments in this thread and found it very constructive discourse...

Female of today, no doubt, must enjoy equal rights and should be empowered in all walks of life. They are very talented and in no way inferior to men. However, there are some professions which don’t suit females. Similarly, there are some that don’t suit men.

As far as female induction in PSP at operational level is concerned, I fully agree to the Views of my Dear Friend: Nauman 34th Commons (PAAS) and found them very logical…….I believe PSP is a different Line of Duty and its requirements are different as well………….Following are the arguments in the favor of my contention..

Firstly, unlike men, females are to undergo different physical conditions. Such conditions (Pregnancy etc.) have some psychological effects as well. such conditions create hindrances in the call of duty………………

Secondly, according to Psychological researches, Females have been found emotionally weaker Gender.....Hence in operational field it is Impossible for her to tackle the situation calmly and effectively. Sometimes, in Police a criminal is to be shot dead on the spot…that Females when see such a condition would would have mercy upon that culprit is a forgone conclusion.

Thirdly, Operational Field of Police is not much different from Military life…..The very concept of women empowerment has originated from the Modern western societies. Yet we don’t have any instance where female has been General of military forces in western societies.

Fourthly, we find no such instances in the early days of Islam. Are today’s female better than Hazrat Fatima (R.A), Hazrat Ayesha (R.A)??They were not allowed to Fight face to face with others even at that time.. What they did?.They nursed the injured etc..It is not that there were no Female commanders at that time in non-Muslim community.…..There were many instances. For example, Hinda was a females fighter that fought in Uhhad battle. But, Holy prophet didn’t allow his Wives and other ladies to fight in the same vein.

Fifthly, The Pakistan society is much different from that of Western societies. Here our Cultural ethos, religiosity of people, Chauvinism, Harassment at work places, and above all illiteracy won’t let woman be a perfect officer as far as operational field is concerned. We must follow one saying: “When in Rome, Do as Romans do”………..
Dont try to change Rome .


Finally, we must see our religion too. We also have seen Good woman Wrestlers in Western societies, would our culture allow the same???? Think calmly and tell me…It is not that woman are going to be allocated in PSP for the first time, women inducted so far in PSP through CSS haven’t gone out of Islamabad and haven’t served in Operational field. Who have prohibited them???? If they wish to do Office work, what would be difference amongst, PSP, DMG, IRS etc??


Conclusion.

Women have equal rights but not similar. I am not male chauvinistic. I support woman empowerment and I do say that females must serve in Police but not at operational level.

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I agree to the views of SPIDER-Man........Sir , You have given very logical arguments...But if females are yet interested to Join PSP, i think they should serve in the same way..........................................It is a democratic society and they must be given all rights........................................

It is very important discussion............Other seniors should also provide counter-arguments................................