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hahaha, Dear i know what went wrong and now i know what i gotta do, pray for my resounding success in PMS then i will insha Allah, with the help of almighty, prove my mettle in CSS as well.....
sis actually i had only a month or so to prepare, i didn't have time to prepare any of other subjects, i just studied Pol sci and Indo Pak History, I also didn't practice essay, i passed the essay but fell in precis and i still am trying to figure out why i failed...and you must not forget that Allah has something for us but at at certain time.....
My dear sir Bilal sb!
I strongly disagree with the title suggested by you (MBO Management by objectives)
I have solid reasons in support of my claim since some questions arise for explanation from your side
Q. No. 1- Management of what?
Of a school, college, or of hospital or ultimately of corporate organization
Q.No.2- Is management itself not one of features for success of organization?
Please answer with reference to original passage
Q.No.3 Doesn’t author talk about the need for separate mangement function in post industrial revolution era? If yes, then can we count management by objective (MBO) as one of features for an corporate organization?
Please answer with reference to the original passage
Q.No.3- Which title is more comprehensive? 1. MBO or 2.Vital features for an organization?
Please answer with reference to the original passage
Q.No.4- Does the title MBO encompass the original passage which is about the success of organization?
Please answer with reference to the original passage

i will appreciate miss sadia to make a right jugement of this fruitfull discussion and sorry there was outage on my side
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Q. No. 1- Management of what?
Of a school, college, or of hospital or ultimately of corporate organization
In para it is neither mentioned any organization nor does it need to mention one...
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Q.No.2- Is management itself not one of features for success of organization?
Please answer with reference to original passage
Yes indeed Management is the linchpin to succeed, not only for an organization but for everything, even it is needed to succeed in that exam as well...but this is not the issue here in this para...
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Q.No.3 Doesn’t author talk about the need for separate mangement function in post industrial revolution era? If yes, then can we count management by objective (MBO) as one of features for an corporate organization?
Please answer with reference to the original passage
and this is totally irrelevant thing...i didn't get a cinch of that...
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Q.No.3- Which title is more comprehensive? 1. MBO or 2.Vital features for an organization?
Please answer with reference to the original passage
i very aptly replied in the light of your own pointed out factors in my previous post that this para is all about objectives, their identification and then implication, and both of these things are jointly called Management by objectives...
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Q.No.4- Does the title MBO encompass the original passage which is about the success of organization?
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The para is not about the success of the organization, rather it is about the importance of identifying objectives and then managing according to them...

P.S..That's all from me, if you are still adamant that you are right then brother i don't have any argument with you...That's all from my side...i can't understand the eccentricity behind all that you do..
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ok as you wish sir! but in answer of Ist question you replied that

"In para it is neither mentioned any organization nor does it need to mention one"...

But of cousrse the writer is talking about an organization from very first line

I also think no more argument is necessary ok bye
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But of cousrse the writer is talking about an organization from very first line
Dear the author has said organizations, not a particular organization, it was a general para not a particular one as you are insisting...
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Dear the author has said organizations, not a particular organization, it was a general para not a particular one as you are insisting...
Thank God!!! ultimately you agreed....please always be cool minded and keep some space for listening to other person's view. May be he would have the right point. By the way, sir, if i were given a chance to write about your behavior regarding previous posts, the word "over confident" will be appropriate to find some space.

my dear sir! please remember that degree of MBA is not a seal of having "comprehensive approach" to any piece of writing.

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Thank God!!! ultimately you agreed....please always be cool minded and keep some space for listening to other person's view. May be he would have the right point. By the way, sir, if i were given a chance to write about your behavior regarding previous posts, the word "over confident" will be appropriate to find some space.

my dear sir! please remember that degree of MBA is not a seal of having "comprehensive approach" to any piece of writing.

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oh my God ultimate dejection.....i agreed? about what? ok if you wanna live in euphoria then you better do, i ain't over confident brother, i am just confident enough.....i am a humble person and Allah almighty has taught me every thing i know..you misconceived me...i am really contrite if you find my remarks blatant but believe you me these were not intended to be so...
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oh my God ultimate dejection.....i agreed? about what? ok if you wanna live in euphoria then you better do, i ain't over confident brother, i am just confident enough.....i am a humble person and Allah almighty has taught me every thing i know..you misconceived me...i am really contrite if you find my remarks blatant but believe you me these were not intended to be so...
about the organizations in the para which you denied in earlier post as in your words:

First reply: In para it is neither mentioned any organization nor does it need to mention one...


Now you acknowledged "Dear the author has said organizations, not a particular organization"

and it is also informed that I also said about "an organization" not particular organization.

The other thing is about making a reference of your MBA, IBA....? poor references and what does this reference imply???

Further more, I will suggest you to take a second look at original passage with open heart, it will be fruitful for exercise.

ok Sir Bilal Sb! today I shall remain busy
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Q.2. Make a precise of the following passage and suggest a suitable heading. (20) 2012

words =375 ,1/3=125


One of the most ominous and discreditable symptoms of the want of candour in present-day sociology is the deliberate neglect of the population question. It is or should be transparently clear that if the State is resolved, on humanitarian grounds, to inhibit the operation of natural selection, some rational regulation of population, both as regards quantity and quality, is
imperatively necessary. There is no self-acting adjustment, apart from starvation, of numbers to the means of subsistence. If all natural checks are removed, a population in advance of the optimum number will be produced, and maintained at the cost of a reduction in the standard of living. When this pressure begins to be felt, that section of the population which is capable of reflection, and which has a standard of living which may be lost, will voluntarily restrict its numbers, even to the point of failing to replace deaths by an equivalent number of new births; while the underworld, which always exists in every civilised society the failures and misfits and derelicts, moral and physical will exercise no restraint, and will be a constantly increasing drain upon the national resources. The population will thus be recruited, in a very undue proportion, by those strata of society which do not possess the qualities of useful citizens.

The importance of the problem would seem to be sufficiently obvious. But politicians know that the subject is unpopular. The unborn have no votes. Employers like a surplus of labour, which can be drawn upon when trade is good. Militarists want as much food for powder as they can get. Revolutionists instinctively oppose any real remedy for social evils; they know that every unwanted child is a potential insurgent. All three can appeal to a quasi-religious prejudice, resting apparently on the ancient theory of natural rights, which were supposed to include the right of unlimited procreation. This objection is now chiefly urged by celibate or childless priests; but it is held with such fanatical vehemence that the fear of losing the votes which they control is a welcome excuse for the baser sort of politician to shelve the subject as inopportune. The Socialist calculation is probably erroneous; for experience has shown that it is aspiration, not desperation, that makes revolutions.
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Title: Controlling population growth
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Population growth in perspective of sociology


Contemporary sociology intently does not pay due attention to population growth. A welfare state is a one, who took appropriate steps to control the population growth. People should control it on voluntary basis. Its abrupt increase has severe impact over quality of life. Insurgents recruit their force mostly from overly populated society. Some people of society took measures to restrain population growth on their own behalf. However, they failed to maintain balance in death to birth ratio.

This subject requires immediate attention. However, resolving this problem is not in the interest of Politician, Employer, Military and Revolutionist. It is the sole right of individual to decide about begetting his offspring. Revolution occurs through self enthusiasm but socialist tries to bring it by extremism of depressed class of society.

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Title: Controlling population growth
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Population growth in perspective of sociology


Contemporary sociology intently does not pay due attention to population growth. A welfare state is a one, who took appropriate steps to control the population growth. People should control it on voluntary basis. Its abrupt increase has severe impact over quality of life. Insurgents recruit their force mostly from overly populated society. Some people of society took measures to restrain population growth on their own behalf. However, they failed to maintain balance in death to birth ratio.

This subject requires immediate attention. However, resolving this problem is not in the interest of Politician, Employer, Military and Revolutionist. It is the sole right of individual to decide about begetting his offspring. Revolution occurs through self enthusiasm but socialist tries to bring it by extremism of depressed class of society.

Word=128

Dear title is not the reflection of precis..and in precis you have mentioned the things that were insignificant and you have lost the essence of paragraph...
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1. Make a precise of the following passage in about one third of its length and suggest a suitable heading. (20)
It was not from want of perceiving the beauty of external nature but from the different way of perceiving it, that the early Greeks did not turn their genius to portray, either in colour or in poetry, the outlines, the hues, and contrasts of all fair valley, and hold cliffs, and golden moons, and rosy lawns which their beautiful country affords in lavish abundance.
Primitive people never so far as I know, enjoy when is called the picturesque in nature, wild forests, beetling cliffs, reaches of Alpine snow are with them great hindrances to human intercourse, and difficulties in the way of agriculture. They are furthermore the homes of the enemies of mankind, of the eagle, the wolf, or the tiger, and are most dangerous in times of earthquake or tempest. Hence the grand and striking features of nature are at first looked upon with fear and dislike.
I do not suppose that Greeks different in the respect from other people, except that the frequent occurrence of mountains and forests made agriculture peculiarly difficult and intercourse scanty, thus increasing their dislike for the apparently reckless waste in nature. We have even in Homer a similar feeling as regards the sea, --- the sea that proved the source of all their wealth and the condition of most of their greatness. Before they had learned all this, they called it “the unvintagable sea” and looked upon its shore as merely so much waste land. We can, therefore, easily understand, how in the first beginning of Greek art, the representation of wild landscape would find no place, whereas, fruitful fields did not suggest themselves as more than the ordinary background. Art in those days was struggling with material nature to which it felt a certain antagonism.
There was nothing in the social circumstances of the Greeks to produce any revolution in this attitude during their greatest days. The Greek republics were small towns where the pressure of the city life was not felt. But as soon as the days of the Greeks republics were over, the men began to congregate for imperial purposes into Antioch, or Alexandria, or lastly into Rome, than we seek the effect of noise and dust and smoke and turmoil breaking out into the natural longing for rural rest and retirement so that from Alexander’s day …… We find all kinds of authors --- epic poets, lyricist, novelists and preachers --- agreeing in the precise of nature, its rich colours, and its varied sounds. Mohaffy: Rambles in Greece

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Conceiving their country in different way in what their country was rich in was the one reason why Greeks never eulogized their country. Little did they enjoy their lives owing to different calamities that often strike them leading them to dislike nature. The feelings they had harbored against sea weren't good either and they would consider it as a futile land. It can easily be inferred that art during the early days of Greek had no such prominent place.After the demise of Greek republics and with the emergence of imperialists authors, poets and lyricists came to the scene.

Title: Emergence of Art in Greek
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