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I have studied a chapter on the topic of Deen and Mazhab, but still my concept is not clear.
Can anybody define what is Deen and what is Mazhab? Their formal definitions and an example as well. Also tell me how to differentiate between these two?
you can reply in URDU or ENGLISH whatever medium you want to use, i wont be having any problem because I am intending to Opt for Urdu as a medium for Islamiat.

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I can also not define clearly but what I know is:

All the prophets preached the same deen 'Islam' , which include the Oneness of Allah, Our Lord is Allah and man is just his vicegerent.

But all of them got different shariyat, 'religion' which contains how to worship Allah?, how to live life? etc.

So religions r many but "Deen" is only one that is Islam as is said by Allah Azza wa Jal in Qur'an.

Plz correct me n also explain it in detail.

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Mahab is anything people or society follows based on their super natural and divine beliefs. So any set of rules, worships or any such act based on some super natural thinking or to please and get favour of some super natural person/creature object may be called religion. So religion or Mazhab is super set or vast. Deen is also a mazhab but the one and the only one true and revealed by Allah.

While deen is only one, the true path told and revealed by Allah ta'ala. The truth, the Haq, The deen can only be one and that is Islam.

Just to clear something, I think Christians also consider their religion as Deen. because according to them Christianity fulfills the requirements of Deen that is the only one revealed and told by Allah. The true Christianity was and is Islam, but after the coming of Muhammadi (PBUH) that Shriat is null and void now. And hence Islam, Shariat e Muhammadi is the final touch to deen.
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Well, my friends It is not the discrimination between Deen and Mazhab, that we are talking about, it is much more vast and deep. Yet we have to find how? for this purpose do consult books or notes or any article (it is what i am doing) and it would be better to share with we people too.
So far as the enormousness of Deen and Mazhab is concern so I would like to Correct You Mr. Arbab Danish (with due respect) as you said that Mazhab is a vast concept ! Its actually not, rather Deen is a very vast concept where as Mazhab is a Part of Deen. And I am very much sure about it.
Yet Lets see what other friends say about it. And if anyone can share any article or Piece of information about it that would be too good for us to make our concepts clear.

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Well, my friends It is not the discrimination between Deen and Mazhab, that we are talking about, it is much more vast and deep. Yet we have to find how? for this purpose do consult books or notes or any article (it is what i am doing) and it would be better to share with we people too.
So far as the enormousness of Deen and Mazhab is concern so I would like to Correct You Mr. Arbab Danish (with due respect) as you said that Mazhab is a vast concept ! Its actually not, rather Deen is a very vast concept where as Mazhab is a Part of Deen. And I am very much sure about it.
Yet Lets see what other friends say about it. And if anyone can share any article or Piece of information about it that would be too good for us to make our concepts clear.

Regards
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"Mazhab" and "Deen" are two different implementations of Religion and the differences between them are significantly great.

* "Mazhab" is only limited to the individual
* It is spiritual, NOT practical
* "Mazhab" stands for 'Gesticulation' or 'Worshiping', it as an act of physical performance, either in the form of prostration or some other form of mysticism, which is solely regarded as a personal act.
* Thus, "Mazhab" has made the access to Hell or Heaven a very effortless phenomena, for instance some practices claim that standing on your feet for 2 days or recitation of certain scriptures for 5000 times will make you eligible for Heaven while others would guarantee you a similar achievement on some other acts.
* However, one simple yet important fact about "Mazhab" should be very clear here that it CAN NOT cope with time, people who believe in such practices never evolve and their existence becomes un-survivable.
* These believes are illogical and mythical, these just involve physical involvement i.e worshipping it doesn't encourage any changes in our social, emotional or even economical states. A good example of Mazhab would be Budhism, Jainism, Hinduism etc which all have something in common and that is that they achieve nothing for their well-being out of their practices similarly we've converted our religion into a analogous condition.

Now on the other hand, "Deen" is something completely distinctive to Mazhab:

* “Deen” is logical and practical
* “Deen” has set of guide lines and laws based on which it evolves with time.
* These guidelines are well defined and must cater for the whole universe for all times. These guidelines are not for a specific society or a group, they are for the whole humanity. Islam is the only religion which fits perfectly and truly on this definition where Quran defines all the laws of humanity and is a guidance for the mankind, Islam is a social system and it clearly yet precisly teaches every human being on how this God-gifted life should be led.

All Prophets sent by Allah, profoundly instructed their communities to follow Allah's Laws ("Mahkoomiyat") and not confuse it with human teachings [7/59, 11/50, 7/65, 29/16, 12/39, 11/84, 7/85]. However, Quranic verses describe that after every Prophet's departure their communities took the authority of the divine messages, made changes on their own will and formed man-made spiritual societies where they only restricted themselves to worshiping, forgot the message of establishing a divine system and indulged into activities which were purely shirk and revolved around their interests and needs.

Following Allah’s “Deen” in reality is following His system, it’s not about individuality and self spiritual beliefs. According to Quran NO ONE can make direct contact with Allah, it has to be through his “Deen”.

Characteristics of “Deen”:

Quran uses word “Deen” for Islam. Good results and outcomes are promised by Allah for those who follow His system and establish it.

[2:143] And, thus it is: We have appointed you a middle and just Community that you would be watchers over all mankind and that the Messenger be a witness against you. (It will be your sacred duty to ensure that no people on earth will oppress others). As far as the transformation of the Centre of devotion is concerned, it has distinguished between those who succumb to traditional and nationalistic preferences from those who see all mankind as one nation and follow the Messengers. And the Messengers have always fullfilled Allah's Command for the Unity of Mankind. In fact it was a hard test except for those who have attained Allah’s Guidance. Allah never lets your Faith go in vain. Verily, Allah is Compassionate and Merciful to all mankind.

As Allah says that Islam is the only true “Deen” (which sadly is in its worst condition but InshahAllah will eventually prevail – but not magically or over night, we'll have to work hard to make it happen):

[48:28] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the Enlightenment and the Religion of Truth that He may cause it to prevail over all other systems of life. And Allah is Sufficient as Witness (to this Pronouncement (9:31-33), (14:48), (18:48), (48:28), (61:9)).

You can not have sects or groups in “Deen”. Forming groups is "SHIRK" and HARAAM (prohibited).

[30:31] Turn unto Him alone then, and be mindful of Him, and establish the Divine System and be not of the MUSHRIKEEN who ascribe authorities along with Him. (2:213)

[3:105] Be not like those who separated and differed after the clear proofs of Truth had come to them. For such there is an awful doom since they cause divisions instead of unity.

In Deen results are obvious and can be seen but in “Muzhab” they don’t exist.

References:

QXP, Quran as it explains itself
Muqaam-e-Hadit, Allam Perveez
Monthaly Soot-ul-Haq, Pakistan

Reference: http://realdeen.wordpress.com/2006/0...uzhab-vs-deen/
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So far as the enormousness of Deen and Mazhab is concern so I would like to Correct You Mr. Arbab Danish (with due respect) as you said that Mazhab is a vast concept ! Its actually not, rather Deen is a very vast concept where as Mazhab is a Part of Deen. And I am very much sure about it.
I did not sayy this vastness from spiritual sense. but I said simply said. The defitniton of Mazhab also includes Deen, but the definition of Deen is not true for every Mazhab.
In other words. Deen is also a Mazhab but not every Mazhab is Deen.
Deen is a special Mazhab (which Mazhab, Mazhab e Islam.)
Islam is both a Mazhab and Deen. Whille others are only Mazhab.

Some Mazhabs are, Christianity, Islam. judaism. Hinduism.

Deen is Ilam.

I said in this sense. That Mazhab is vast and Deen is one peculair Mazhab i.e Islam
Now you can see Deen is subset of Mazhab.

and if you had not understood what I said, you could have instead asked me that What I meant by that, rather correcting me in your own sense.
Thats all from me.
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kisi mubalgh ky batay hovy tariqoo ko man-o-en man laina mazhab kahlata hai,

jab k kisi mubalgh ky batay hovy tariqoo ko man-o-en maan kar us kay mutabiq zindagi guzarna din khalata hai

mazhab ka talaq abadaat say hota hai jab kay din ka talaq abaadaat+muamlat say hotta hai

mazhab haqqooq allah ka nam hai jab k din mai haqooq allah aur haqqoq-ul-abad doono aatay hain

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christianity mai sirf allah ko mannany ki bat ki jati hai jabky is ko amli zindagi mai nafaz karny ki bat nahi ki jati is liay ye mazhab hai

dusri tarf islam mai allah ko khaliq maliq jan kar na sirf is ki abadat ki jati hai balky is kay bataey hovay asoloo ko nafaz karna bi zaroori hota hai is liey islam mazhab bi hai aur din bi

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Aoa,

Mazhab is just a set of rules n regulations,

AND

Deen is a complete code of life and which is only one til the end of this universe and tht is ISLAM.

its not a complicated issue---- v simple indeed.

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"Mazhab" and "Deen" are two different implementations of Religion and the differences between them are significantly great.

* "Mazhab" is only limited to the individual
* It is spiritual, NOT practical
* "Mazhab" stands for 'Gesticulation' or 'Worshiping', it as an act of physical performance, either in the form of prostration or some other form of mysticism, which is solely regarded as a personal act.
* Thus, "Mazhab" has made the access to Hell or Heaven a very effortless phenomena, for istance some practices claim that standing on your feet for 2 days or recitation of certain scriptures for 5000 times will make you eligible for Heaven :-) while others would guarantee you a similar achievement on some other ridiculous acts.
* However, one simple yet important fact about "Mazhab" should be very clear here that it CAN NOT cope with time, people who believe in such practices never evolve and their existence becomes un-survivable.
* These believes are illogical and mythical, these just involve physical involvement i.e worshipping it doesn't encourage any changes in our social, emotional or even economical states. A good example of Mazhab would be Buddhism, Jainism, Hinduism etc which all have something in common and that is that they achieve nothing for their well-being out of their practices similarly we've converted our religion into a analogous condition.

Now on the other hand, "Deen" is something completely distinctive to Mazhab:

* “Deen” is logical and practical
* “Deen” has set of guide lines and laws based on which it evolves with time.
* These guidelines are well defined and must cater for the whole universe for all times. These guidelines are not for a specific society or a group, they are for the whole humanity. Islam is the only religion which fits perfectly and truly on this definition where Quran defines all the laws of humanity and is a guidance for the mankind, Islam is a social system and it clearly yet precisly teaches every human being on how this God-gifted life should be led.

All Prophets sent by Allah, profoundly instructed their communities to follow Allah's Laws ("Mahkoomiyat") and not confuse it with human teachings [7/59, 11/50, 7/65, 29/16, 12/39, 11/84, 7/85]. However, Quranic verses describe that after every Prophet's departure their communities took the authority of the divine messages, made changes on their own will and formed man-made spiritual societies where they only restricted themselves to worshiping, forgot the message of establishing a divine system and indulged into activities which were purely shirk and revolved around their interests and needs.

Following Allah’s “Deen” in reality is following His system, it’s not about individuality and self spiritual beliefs. According to Quran NO ONE can make direct contact with Allah, it has to be through his “Deen”.

Characteristics of “Deen”:

Quran uses word “Deen” for Islam. Good results and outcomes are promised by Allah for those who follow His system and establish it.

[2:143] And, thus it is: We have appointed you a middle and just Community that you would be watchers over all mankind and that the Messenger be a witness against you. (It will be your sacred duty to ensure that no people on earth will oppress others). As far as the transformation of the Centre of devotion is concerned, it has distinguished between those who succumb to traditional and nationalistic preferences from those who see all mankind as one nation and follow the Messengers. And the Messengers have always fullfilled Allah's Command for the Unity of Mankind. In fact it was a hard test except for those who have attained Allah’s Guidance. Allah never lets your Faith go in vain. Verily, Allah is Compassionate and Merciful to all mankind.

As Allah says that Islam is the only true “Deen” (which sadly is in its worst condition but InshahAllah will eventually prevail – but not magically or over night, we'll have to work hard to make it happen):

[48:28] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the Enlightenment and the Religion of Truth that He may cause it to prevail over all other systems of life. And Allah is Sufficient as Witness (to this Pronouncement (9:31-33), (14:48), (18:48), (48:28), (61:9)).

You can not have sects or groups in “Deen”. Forming groups is "SHIRK" and HARAAM (prohibited).

[30:31] Turn unto Him alone then, and be mindful of Him, and establish the Divine System and be not of the MUSHRIKEEN who ascribe authorities along with Him. (2:213)

[3:105] Be not like those who separated and differed after the clear proofs of Truth had come to them. For such there is an awful doom since they cause divisions instead of unity.

In Deen results are obvious and can be seen but in “Muzhab” they don’t exist.
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* "Mazhab" is only limited to the individual
* It is spiritual, NOT practical
This is correct, mazhab is limited to individual or we may say, to particular time as some of them are vanished now and, it is only spiritual.
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Now on the other hand, "Deen" is something completely distinctive to Mazhab:

* “Deen” is logical and practical
* “Deen” has set of guide lines and laws based on which it evolves with time
To me, "Deen is logical" is not the suitable wording or phrase rather it is confusing.
Deen is spiritual and practical as it comprises of two thing:
1) Belief (Aqidah) i-e. belief in one Allah, in Prophets, in the day of judgements...etc
2) Laws to regulate human life in complete harmony with this belief (Shariah).
One of the important characteristic of Deen is that, it is not static as it covers and discuss the difficulties of all the time. Hence, the concept of Ijtihad comes into play. Shariah provides only the basic principles and fundamentals and in those fields where the law has to change with the times, it leaves to the scholars of Shariah to expand upon according to their needs and requirements and in the light of Divine Revelation. So this use of human intellect is Ijtihad.
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Islam is the only religion which fits perfectly and truly on this definition where Quran defines all the laws of humanity and is a guidance for the mankind, Islam is a social system and it clearly yet precisly teaches every human being on how this God-gifted life should be led.
Islam is the only RELIGION (again confusing from the linguistic point of view). The word RELIGION to a western person would mean 'a set of belief concerning the spiritual life of man, such as Christianity.This meaning does not apply to Islam because Islam commands not only the spiritual life of man but his worldly life as well. Thus Islam is not a religion in western sense.
Quran used the word DEEN for Islam and 'Religion' can not substitute the word Deen.
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